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Liberal U.S. Catholics say Church not listening
Reuters via Yahoo News ^ | 06/13/2011 | Scott Malone

Posted on 06/13/2011 11:55:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Members of a liberal group of U.S. Roman Catholics on Sunday called on Church leaders to open talks with their members on controversies ranging from the ordination of women to allowing priests to marry.

Members of the American Catholic Council, meeting in Detroit, said they had grown concerned the church's hierarchy was not listening to its members on issues such as the role of women, married clergy and the treatment of homosexuals.

The meeting comes as the Roman Catholic Church in the United States is struggling with a sexual abuse crisis, loss of membership and a dwindling number of priests.

"When in God's name are the conversations going to begin?" asked Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun who addressed the meeting of about 2,000 people -- part of a liberal wing that represents a minority in the 1.2 billion-member Church.

She likened the structure, with bishops and archbishops answering to the pope in Rome, to "a medieval system that has now been abandoned by humanity everywhere, except by us."

Detroit Archbishop Allen Vigneron had warned before the meeting that any members of the clergy who attended the group's mass would risk being defrocked.

"All of the invited keynote speakers have manifested dissent from Catholic teachings or support for dissenters," the archdiocese said in a posting on its website.

Robert Wurm, a retired priest from Ferndale, Michigan, who officiated at the closing mass, said he was not worried the archbishop would take action against him.

"He was careful about that. He said they could be defrocked, not that they would," Wurm told reporters.

Under Church law, an archbishop has authority over all masses held in his area.

"It's disheartening that a Detroit priest would preside over a Sunday service with so many serious liturgical abuses," said Ned McGrath, spokesman for the archdiocese.

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To: SeekAndFind

Members of the American Catholic Council, meeting in Detroit, said they had grown concerned the church’s hierarchy was not listening to its members on issues such as the role of women, married clergy and the treatment of homosexuals.

ummm...GOOD!


21 posted on 06/13/2011 12:35:28 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: SeekAndFind
"When in God's name are the conversations going to begin?" asked Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun who addressed the meeting of about 2,000 people -- part of a liberal wing that represents a minority in the 1.2 billion-member Church.

Never! You know where the door is lady. use it.

22 posted on 06/13/2011 12:38:56 PM PDT by pgkdan ( Time for a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: SeekAndFind

We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires... — Pope Benedict XVI


23 posted on 06/13/2011 12:39:09 PM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: SeekAndFind

If they don’t like it leave. This is so like a liberal they want to have everything their way. So find a church that fits their way of thinking and leave ours alone.


24 posted on 06/13/2011 12:39:31 PM PDT by Guardian Sebastian (All I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

All religions and denominations have core beliefs. Individuals, even if they were “born into” the particular faith, can’t and shouldn’t expect to be able change them. They can always move on and form their own, join another that conforms more with what they believe, or reexamine those beliefs and get back in line. Hanging around and bitching about how a 2,000 year old institution as hierarchical as the RCC is childish. But then again, we are talking about Liberals, whose mascots are Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Peter Pan.


25 posted on 06/13/2011 12:53:27 PM PDT by katana
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To: SeekAndFind
listen stooopid... the Church hears you, but the answer is still NO!!!
26 posted on 06/13/2011 12:58:49 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Married priests, however, is biblical.

True enough, but what is dogmatic is that the church can set its own internal rules. A celibate priesthood for a number of reasons, some very practical, was what was chosen.

27 posted on 06/13/2011 1:02:34 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: SeekAndFind

Why are there “liberal” Catholics? Why don’t they just go be one with the Unitards rather than ruin a Church that they disagree with?

I am NOT a Catholic and niether are these liberals.


28 posted on 06/13/2011 1:03:31 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anglicanorum Coetibus Retrorsum (Calamitas).

A Personal Ordinariate in reverse, so that a liberal Catholic can become a liberal Episcopalian, since being a liberal is more important to them than being a Catholic.

Somewhat gentler than self-excommunication, but to much the same ends.

“Just stop calling yourself Catholic.”


29 posted on 06/13/2011 1:04:22 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ClearCase_guy
they already left the church by how they live....if they really wanted to go to church they would start their own, their goal is to make all religions like themselves...I am not catholic and I get a big smile when the church stands up against those types of people....In the early church they would be shunned and kicked out of any church they tried to infiltrate. I think even liberal priests that start spouting liberal crap from the pulpit would stop if all the parishioners would get up and walk out....it takes guts and standing up for Jesus. When I was catholic, that is what I would have done...and did once....maybe twice...
30 posted on 06/13/2011 1:24:27 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: ClearCase_guy

I suspect you are right. The day a woman or Outed homosexual “priest comes to say Mass at my Church is the day I stop going. I am sure there will be underground Catholics who will stay with the way the Church is today, if there is not I will take my chances.

Marriage ?, I can accept that, Open Homosexuality Not only No ,but hell no. Women Priests ?. Nope no way.

The Nuns who want to be Priests should leave the Church and do what their conscience tells them to do somewhere else.


31 posted on 06/13/2011 1:28:11 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: SeekAndFind
Maybe they should open talks about why people who don't believe in Catholic doctrine should be allowed to be members of the Catholic Church...
32 posted on 06/13/2011 1:31:04 PM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: SeekAndFind
Members of a liberal group of U.S. Roman Catholics

These groups continue to pop up and die off like mushrooms after a rain. They always want the same thing, more secularism in the church, and are usually funded behind the scenes by some leftist advocacy group.

33 posted on 06/13/2011 1:38:19 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: BelegStrongbow

“We have more in common with Orthodoxy than Rome, so calling us Catholic-lite simply won’t fit. Our key argument with Rome is the primacy of the Pope.”

Uh, no.

Let’s see.

Abortion - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican yes.
Contraception - Catholic no, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Divorce - Catholic no, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Remarriage - Catholic no, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Female priests - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, yes.
Female bishops - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, yes.
Inclusive language - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, yes.
Homosexual blessings - Catholic no, Orthodox, No, Anglican, Yes.
Deuterocanon - Catholic yes, Orthodox Yes, Anglican, no.

There are huge differences between the Catholic Church and the Anglican church. The difference between the CC and the Orthodox is less than that between the Anglicans and the Catholics. The only area you guys agree on is where you’re both wrong.


34 posted on 06/13/2011 1:38:38 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: BenKenobi

Lets throw Baptists into this.

Abortion - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Baptist no, Anglican yes.
Contraception - Catholic no, Orthodox, yes, Baptist, yes Anglican, yes.
Divorce - Catholic no, Baptist no, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Remarriage - Catholic no, Baptist No, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Female priests - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Baptist, no Anglican, yes.
Female bishops - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Baptist, no Anglican, yes.
Inclusive language - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Baptist, no Anglican, yes.
Homosexual blessings - Catholic no, Orthodox, No, Baptist, no, Anglican, Yes.
Deuterocanon - Catholic yes, Orthodox Yes, Baptist, no Anglican, no.
Believer’s baptism - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, no, Baptist, yes.
lay ordination - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, No, Baptist, yes.
Confession - Catholic Yes, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, No, Baptist, No.
Real Presence - Catholic Yes, Orthodox, Yes, Anglican, No, Baptist, No.

I don’t believe there’s a single issue where the Anglicans are closer to the Catholics than the baptists, other than on ordination and on baptism. That’s it.


35 posted on 06/13/2011 1:45:11 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: SeekAndFind
"When in God's name are the conversations going to begin?"

It was a really short one, Joanie - "No." Apparently you missed it.

36 posted on 06/13/2011 2:01:37 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: Da Coyote

“Liberal,” (Latin “liberalus doofus moralus zilchus”) is a short form of the ancient Roman phrase for “we don’t like any rules.”


37 posted on 06/13/2011 5:58:02 PM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: BenKenobi

You can’t get remarried after a divorce in the Baptist faith? They also don’t recognize divorce?

Freegards


38 posted on 06/13/2011 6:23:48 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

The ones I attended (I am a former baptist), did not permit either.

‘If you marry, don’t divorce, if you divorce, don’t remarry’.


39 posted on 06/13/2011 6:37:42 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: BenKenobi

I can definately see good conservative Baptist groups barring no-fault divorce, but I thought they allowed it(and remarriage) for adultery and other grave sins? Maybe that is just some Baptists? What do the Southern Baptists do?

Freegards


40 posted on 06/13/2011 6:55:02 PM PDT by Ransomed
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