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To: vladimir998

You are making this so difficult and losing Jesus in the Church. Our eyes need to be on Him.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

whosoever will - you, me, (name here)

Eternal Life - we cannot lose it if we believe on Him. If we could, it would not be eternal life, but something else.

It is so simple that a child can understand it.


785 posted on 06/03/2011 6:54:27 PM PDT by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: NEWwoman

You wrote:

“You are making this so difficult and losing Jesus in the Church.”

1) Everything I have said is factually correct and logic. Thus, it is incredibly unlikely that I am making anything “so difficult”.

2) I have questions that you apparently cannot answer. The difficulty seems to be all yours.

3) No one can lose Jesus in the Church since the Church is His Bride. The two are inseparable.

“Our eyes need to be on Him.”

Exactly. And when you truly look at Him there is no way you cannot see His Bride - unless you choose to. Remember, Christ sent the Church.

“John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

And then Jesus sent the Church just as the Father sent Him (John 20:19-23).

“whosoever will - you, me, (name here)”

You forget that Jesus was speaking to those in the Church and who would be brought into the Church. There’s no reason to think His promise extended directly to sectarians. Also, it must be remembered that Jesus spoke elsewhere of other things He expected - such as obedience to His commandments (John 14:15, 21; 15:10).

“Eternal Life - we cannot lose it if we believe on Him.”

Clearly He believes more than mere belief or even faith is involved.

“If we could, it would not be eternal life, but something else.”

But people do lose out on eternal life - by rejecting Jesus, denying Him. We must cling absolutely to Christ. And that clinging must include clinging to His Bride for He gave His Bride to us. As Sacred Scripture tells us, the Church is the ark of salvation (1 Peter 3:19-21).

“It is so simple that a child can understand it.”

Since you cannot answer my simple questions, I don’t have any reason to believe you know what you’re talking about. And if you really believe it is “so simple that a child can understand it” then you must ask why every child - and adult, and saint - failed to understand it as you present it until the 16th century while still insisting what you do about the Catholic Church. Your view is inconsistent and illogical. What I am presenting is entirely logical and consistent. Logic and consistency do not make things more difficult. They make things more plain and understandable while actually discussing verse and theological points in their fuller context rather than falsely isolating quotes.

To understand John 3:16 you have to read and understand John 3:5 - “Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.””

Will you even attempt to answer the questions I asked?


796 posted on 06/03/2011 8:11:57 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: NEWwoman

Wise response.

Some folks seem to have a knack for offering microscopic amounts of rational discourse—even when they try—which may be rare.

Bias—blind bias—seems to be rife in the Vatican Cult.


800 posted on 06/03/2011 8:36:40 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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