Camping May 21 Rapture and the Replacement Theology Lie

vanity | 5/21/11 | marbren

[marbren]

Camping is a victim of replacement theology. IMHO the lie of replacement theology is almost as insidious as idolatry. The key to holistic understanding of Bible prophecy is to understand the role of Israel in it. God keeps his promises to Israel. This is a model to the rest of us that he will keep his promises to us as well.

A majority of the church going world has been victimized. I believed the lie for 35 years. During the past 20 I have been seeking the truth and only recently did I stop saying IMHO replacement theology is a lie and replaced it with: Replacement theology is a lie dropping the IMHO. For those that do not know, Replacement theology is the lie that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan.

The church was polluted by Replacement theology early on. Origen and Augustine, early Fathers of the church, were the first to muddy up the scriptures in this way when they arrogantly took on the mantle of Israel for themselves. Martin Luther apparently did not study it and this lead to his anti-Semitism and Hitler. In many ways IMHO it is like a reverse of the circumcision party that led to Acts 15.

This replacement theology lie has lead to the church we have today. Everyone is running around not knowing what is happening in these end times we are in. The truth is The Church, the Bride of Christ, has a role and Israel has a role. Think of men and women, children and parents, husbands and wives, angels and people, dogs and cats, sheep and goats, wheat and tares. All these have roles God invented.

So the solution: Open your Bible, drop your preconceived notions and open your mind, ask God to reveal the truth about all this Israel stuff written in the Bible. The Lord Jesus Christ is central in it all. Gods Grace and Mercy is incredible, He does all the work. Faith and hope and love permeate the entire Bible and the greatest of these is love.

[marbren]

It is at best, grossly irresponsible, and more likely criminal. While I don't hold that the current political state of Israel has any special place in God's Redemptive Plan for His people, I believe that America needs to fiercely defend her for at least a couple of reasons.

How about a common sense solution. Instead of killing all the Jews Why not move them all to Wyoming or something?/s

This may make sense if you believe in replacement theology.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

There are some passages in Isaiah which speak of the fact that the Jews will be given all the land promised to them and that God will not forsake them. God refers to Himself as Israel's "husband" here:

For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth. (Isaiah 54:5)

[Quix]

My stepDad relates how the priests in Southern NM in his youth would pressure the poorest of families in that area to cough up money to pray their recently deceased relatives out of Purgatory.

Just one example.

[presently no screen name]

Don’t blame Matthew for your lack of knowledge - blame your teachers that teach falsehoods. Is it Matthew, also, who teaches on purgatory? Who takes the rap for that one?

[DaveMSmith]

You are past 60 so your step dad must be up there unless your mom is a cougar ;-)

Seriously though, that had to be some time ago.

[presently no screen name]

will continue to be wrong so long as he pretends to have some special, hidden knowledge that the Bible itself directly contradicts the possibility of his having.

Exactly! God does not go against His Own Word “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" and it seems Camping tried, once again, to prove God wrong. From the beginning, this is the work of satan 'did God really say'.

[Quix]

He was born in 1923 IIRC.

Lived down South until his late teens, IIRC.

Worse stuff goes on in Mexico and further South.

[bronx2]

You are correct in stating that even Amiee could not have disabused Camping but it would have taken intervention by the Holy Spirit to effect a Godly solution.

But therein lies the problem with Sola Scriptura, self interpretation and other trappings of the reformation.

Your belief system works for some and I suppose it is better to have the "Children of a Lesser God" possess some christian practices than to be pagans. How many more of these self proclaimed Sola Scriptura self interpretation advocates types exist to humiliate Christianity before the secular humanistic crowd. I bet Islam will use this event to discourage many from converting .

[presently no screen name]

The Catholics I know and am related to live good holy lives based on their churches teachings. I know I’ll be in heaven with them even if they worship differently here.

Is that the reason you think they will go to heaven - because they lived good holy lives?

[Belteshazzar]

Having read through the 200 or so responses, I am left with one reaction: What an incredibly toxic and pointless thread.

[presently no screen name]

This incident with Camping has made Christianity a laughingstock to the secular humanistic crowd and all the believers can do is distance themselves from the rapture and evangelical types to preserve the Faith for ourselves.

I believe it will show how following man leads to destruction. Camping and his man made beliefs which go against God's Word and the RCC and their man made doctrines which nullify God's Word should be an eye opener to anyone seeking Truth.

ANY teaching that goes against God's Word is deception which leads to destruction. God's Word is The Final Authority.

[bronx2]

Just read Pub 78 and the related F990 to seal the argument in validating this number. You can't refute the number but I validate it with irrefutable sources. Thus the number stands as written and your objections to the existence of this number stands until refuted with empirical evidence. Just accept reality.

The number is probably much higher than 30,000 as I have not looked at the aforementioned source in four years and it has probably accreted.

[Quix]

NOPE.

NO SALE.

I guess you refuse to admit that but a fraction of such numbers are Proddy denominations.

And, evidently you also refuse to admit that the Vatican Cult has AT LEAST as many divisive groups and permutations.

[bronx2]

Your assertions, that the RCC’s “Man Made doctrines which nullify God’s word”, are merely a product of your prideful interpretation of Scripture and worship of self similar to Camping. Cast off the prideful coat of Satan and accept the Truth which is Jesus devoid of these sinful interpretative messages you and your ilk bandy about. How shameful.

[jetson]

If you listen to the old fool you can tell he is senile. He swears by creationism and during his talks quotes examples of man thousands of years ago ( before Christ). The guy makes no sense. The uneducated follow him, giving him their hard earned money.

[DaveMSmith]

Is that the reason you think they will go to heaven - because they lived good holy lives?

Bingo!

[bronx2]

Look, go and peruse the sources I mentioned and then refute. The names of each entity are listed and the 990 identifies them as being christian.If you can't believe objective reality how can you be trusted to interpret scripture?

A stiffed neck attitude in denying the objective reality of this number, absent any empirical evidence save self serving rants, is very telling. It serves to discredit your entire testimony.

[Salvation]

Evidently some people have not explored The Catechism of the Catholic Church. for they would see how God-centered it really is!

I invite all non-Catholics to look at the Table of Contents of this extensive book.

[Joya]

Quix!

Here is the link from three weeks ago, another forum of interest,

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to everyone else, my apologies for butting in, not online much due to Zyrtec induced headache

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Quix,

http://www.watchmanscry.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7710

forum of interest link.
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[Quix]

I might get around to it.

I might not.

I’ve never observed your . . . assertions, references, pontification . . . to have much affinity for solid facts or truth in such matters.