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**But in the case of man, the soul remains in existence because it is a spiritual or immaterial thing. Consequently, it differs from the souls of animals in two important respects. First, it is the seat of intelligence or reason. For this reason a man is held responsible for his actions in a way that animals are not. Secondly, the soul is immortal. A thing which has no physical parts cannot fall apart or be poisoned or be crushed or be put out of existence. For this reason the souls of the saved will always be aware of themselves as enjoying the vision of God for all eternity. **

Animals can't be "saved" so they will not be in heaven.

Any other thoughts?

1 posted on 05/18/2011 2:31:54 PM PDT by Salvation
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“Animals can’t be “saved” so they will not be in heaven.”

Agreed.


2 posted on 05/18/2011 2:35:08 PM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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3 posted on 05/18/2011 2:35:15 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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I hope he is wrong.
4 posted on 05/18/2011 2:37:28 PM PDT by a6intruder (downtown with big bombs, 24/7, rain or shine, day or night)
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I always like what my cousin said about this when the subject would come up - pets don’t go to Heaven, but if you get there and choose to ask for a loved pet to join you, God will make it so. Heaven is a place of rest and reward - if your perfect eternity includes having Fluffy and Spot, then they will be there.


5 posted on 05/18/2011 2:37:45 PM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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William F. Buckley had a great story about this. I won’t do it justice but a woman asked a Jesuit priest if her little dog would be with her in heaven. The priest replied that if that was what it took to make her happy in heaven then the dog would be there. Great answer.


10 posted on 05/18/2011 2:39:22 PM PDT by hometoroost (Love the Onion story on a closed-ceremony "transparency" award. Oh wait, that actually happened.)
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well, IMHO a person entering heaven will be rewarded for believing in GOD.
Part of that reward can be seeing your beloved companions.
Animals cannot enter heaven on their own, but maybe by the reqest of the person.
But who knows???


11 posted on 05/18/2011 2:40:21 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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There is no way that a place called Heaven wouldn’t have my dog there.


12 posted on 05/18/2011 2:41:15 PM PDT by HighWheeler
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In the case of plants and animals the soul goes out of existence.

When exactly is the "death" of a plant? An apple, say? When it is picked? Cored? Sliced? Sauced? Cidered?

Now, if one plant is grafted onto another, does the combination have 2 souls? When a plant is rooted to form a new plant, does the original plant's soul split between the two plants, or does the soul stay with the larger part of the original plant and a new soul get issued for the new part?

I sense a real growth industry in this new line of theology...

13 posted on 05/18/2011 2:41:20 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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Through love, the soul of an animal is incorporated to some degree in the soul of the person who loves it. As long as the person does not go out of existence, the pet’s soul does not. As God remembers us, He remembers us in our entirety, and, as George MacDonald said, “What God remembers ‘is’”.


14 posted on 05/18/2011 2:41:20 PM PDT by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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Heaven is where we are too be fully happy. If that fullness means we need to see our pets we will see them.


15 posted on 05/18/2011 2:41:44 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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OK. Here’s come quick thoughts:

If Revelation is an accurate portrayal of the future, then it would seem to indicate that there are animals in heaven since Jesus will return riding a white horse.

If things which do not have souls will not be in heaven, then creation is going to be disappointed since scripture says it is awaiting its liberation in Romans 8:19-21:
“The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.”

Are animals part of God’s creation? Yes.


17 posted on 05/18/2011 2:42:26 PM PDT by ZGuy
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Animals can't be "saved" so they will not be in heaven.

Well, the lion is going to lay down with the lamb somewhere. And Jesus comes back on a horse with a cavalry riding behind Him. Horse lovers will be happy.

Whether any specific pet will be there is anyone's guess, but if the Lord is going to restore creation to it's pre-sin state, there were animals before people.

19 posted on 05/18/2011 2:43:08 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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I dont believe Jesus had a dog. I think that says it all right there.
But you have to wonder, why not?

Anyone know about biblical references to dogs? I mean as pets?


22 posted on 05/18/2011 2:45:21 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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While I understand and agree with the church’s position on this matter, I do believe we will be held accountable for how we treated animals during our lifetime.


23 posted on 05/18/2011 2:46:19 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. - Mark Twain.


24 posted on 05/18/2011 2:46:26 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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According to the book of Mark (Twain), there are two heavens: “The dog is a gentleman; I hope to go to his heaven, not man’s.”


26 posted on 05/18/2011 2:47:54 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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CS Lewis believed they would be there.


30 posted on 05/18/2011 2:50:25 PM PDT by balch3
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What species would we say that doesn’t go to heaven?
Elephants, tigers bears snakes?


31 posted on 05/18/2011 2:52:10 PM PDT by mel (o fFR monthly...Do You?????)
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Pets will be in Heaven. They are an essential part of what makes us human. If God doesn’t have our beloved pets in Heaven, the afterlife will be quite disappointing and sad.

Somehow, I don’t think God would want sadness like that to tarnish Heaven.


34 posted on 05/18/2011 2:53:54 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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Don’t tell my dog doesn’t have a soul or he will hump your leg.


36 posted on 05/18/2011 2:56:25 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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