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To: Grunthor; Tax-chick
Now now, Mary died for no ones’ sins.

Pope Pius IX said that 'all Salvation' is obtained in Mary. Ubi Primam 1849. Thus he said 'all salvation' for the catholic is obtained in Mary.

Could you explain how she did it?

10 posted on 04/28/2011 9:32:21 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402; ArrogantBustard

Why, you’ve found a couple of out-of-context quotes. Isn’t that clever? You could find the entire text of Pope Pius IX’s document at NewAdvent.org, and then, assuming good reading comprehension, you could understand the exact meaning he intended to convey. Having achieved this, you could either agree or disagree with the belief presented.

Don’t you think Gen. Bunting would be able to do something like that, if this particularly phrasing were of deep concern to him? Do you imagine he reached the age of 70, and his high military and academic positions, without ever encountering the Basic Anti-Catholic Talking Points?


15 posted on 04/28/2011 9:51:45 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tornado relief: http://www.baptistsonmission.org/Projects/North-Carolina/Tornado)
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To: sr4402
Ubi Primam

That would be "Ubi Primum". You guys never seem to get the Latin right.

Thus he said 'all salvation' for the catholic is obtained in Mary.

No, he said "every hope, every grace, and all salvation" came through Mary, because it was God's will that it be so. Not the same thing at all.

Jesus came through Mary. Jesus is all salvation. Ergo, all salvation came through Mary.

18 posted on 04/28/2011 10:19:47 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: sr4402

I love it when anti-Catholics take things out of context.

Explain this to me. Here’s a prayer from Pope Pius XI:

O God, everlasting Creator of all things, remember that the souls of unbelievers were made by Thee and formed in Thine Own image and likeness. Remember that Thy Son Jesus endured a most bitter death for their salvation. Permit not, O Lord, that Thy Son should any longer be despised by unbelievers . . . Forget their idolatry and unbelief, and grant that they too may some day know Him Whom Thou hast sent, the very Lord Jesus Christ, Who is our Salvation, our Life and Resurrection, by Whom we have been saved and delivered, to Whom be glory for endless ages. Amen.

Prayer written and authorized by Pope Pius IX and placed in the The Raccolta By Joseph P. Christopher, Charles E. Spence, D. D. The Rt Rowan (pages 486-487).


22 posted on 04/28/2011 10:34:35 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: sr4402

“Pope Pius IX said that ‘all Salvation’ is obtained in Mary. Ubi Primam 1849. Thus he said ‘all salvation’ for the catholic is obtained in Mary.”

If that is indeed what the man said, then he was a world class moron.


27 posted on 04/28/2011 11:01:48 AM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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