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To: sr4402
Ubi Primam

That would be "Ubi Primum". You guys never seem to get the Latin right.

Thus he said 'all salvation' for the catholic is obtained in Mary.

No, he said "every hope, every grace, and all salvation" came through Mary, because it was God's will that it be so. Not the same thing at all.

Jesus came through Mary. Jesus is all salvation. Ergo, all salvation came through Mary.

18 posted on 04/28/2011 10:19:47 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion
"Jesus came through Mary. Jesus is all salvation. Ergo, all salvation came through Mary."

The folks who still spout all the old anti-Catholic lies are usually too simple minded to follow something through a therefore.

21 posted on 04/28/2011 10:33:46 AM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Campion
Thanks for the correction on the Latin.

No, he said "every hope, every grace, and all salvation" came through Mary, because it was God's will that it be so. Not the same thing at all.

Nope. For Pope Pius IX said "This is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary" in the same paragraph denoting "all salvation".

Also note, in the same sentence as the "all salvation", that it also attributes "every grace, every hope" to Mary.

So in order to detangle 'all salvation' you are going to have to take 'every grace' away from Mary.

So again, how did Mary accomplish your Salvation since she has "all salvation" according to Pope Pius IX?

47 posted on 04/28/2011 11:38:59 AM PDT by sr4402
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