You tell 'em; Brother!!
Posted on 03/25/2011 9:19:12 AM PDT by Colofornian
Written by a local ex-Mormon Christian friend of mine: —
This is the Christ of Mormonism:
1. He lives as a humanoid god on a star near Kolob along with his father god, bound by the physical world; he does not transcend the material.
2. He is the brother of satan.
3. He had to earn his own salvation while he was on earth.
4. He offers his “grace” only to those who work hard enough.
5. He is not from everlasting to everlasting, but was created a finite time ago by his father god, who in turn was also created by his own father god, who in turn was created by his own father god, so on and so forth
6. He is not the greatest being possible.
7. He is finite.
8. His blood is not powerful enough to wipe away any sin.
9. He aided his father in creating earth by organizing already existing matter; he is not capable of creating things out of nothing.
10. He must submit to a moral law that existed before he did.
11. You can one day become just like him.
This is the Christ of the Bible:
1. He is a spirit being that transcends space and time.
2. He is the brother of no creature; He is God, from everlasting to everlasting. No one can claim kinship with Him except those He purchased for Himself on the cross. And He is not the same type of creature they are. He is not a creature, He is God.
3. Jesus is the Author of Salvation; to say that He needed to earn His salvation is absurdity.
4. He offers His sovereign grace to whomever He sovereignly chooses; we are all tainted by sin and vile in His holy eyes. Therefore, no one is more worthy than any other human being. Thus, His grace that He offers is given unconditionally. His grace is true grace, a beautiful gift.
5. He is from everlasting to everlasting. He was never created, and Has been in relationship with the Father and the Holy Spirit forever.
6. He is the greatest being possible, the Most High God. There is no one like Him and there is no one who will ever be anything like Him.
7. He is infinite, both in essence and in His divine perfections.
8. His blood is powerful enough to wipe away any sin, regardless of heinousness and duration. The only sin that cannot be forgive is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; and this is not because the blood of Christ is not powerful enough to wash it away, but because God has so sovereignly decreed that all persons who blaspheme the Holy Ghost should not receive forgiveness.
9. He created everything that exists out of nothing by the mere word of His mouth.
10. There is no external law that He submits to; He is the Author and the Source of the Law.
11. No one can ever come near to obtaining the glory and excellency of Christ.
Bring up the topic of the Civil War, then sit back and read the first 1,000 replies.
You need to readjust the tin foil...
You tell 'em; Brother!!
Joseph Smith a liar, thief, adulterer, pedophile, flim flam man, con artist, a man who claimed he will decide who gets into heaven, a man who claimed he would be the next mohammad
Point out the untrue part of that statement and I'll reconsider whether it's "abuse" or not.
Them guys that did NOT claim that ALL of Christianity was apostate and abominable?
“Joseph Smith a liar, thief, adulterer, pedophile, flim flam man, con artist, a man who claimed he will decide who gets into heaven, a man who claimed he would be the next mohammad
“This is what I thought was abusive, but obsesively attacking someone else’s religion is also abuse.
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Each is true. If we’ve reached the stage on FR where truth is offensive, there’s a problem here.
Don't you mean the "War of Northern Aggression"? ;^)
Just don’t bring up the Civil War and Joseph Smith in the same breath. You know Joe predicted it don’cha?
When you ain’t got nothing in the chamber, there’s always the trusty ad hominem fall back position.
Way to meet expectations PD.
Look, you’re gonna make GB58 think he’s a prophet if you don’t cut that out!
It was a testimony, and I know this to be true.
What you “think” is abusive doesn’t quite match up with the facts.
JS was all of those and more.
He was also an embezzler, a fraudster and a false prophet.
As for “attacking someone else’s religion”, do you realize that mormons taught from the beginning that all religions outside of mormonism were the WHORES of Babylon? Churches of the devil? That in their early temple ceremonies, the tool of satan was a Presbyterian minister?
Is truth subjective and something that is discerned by human emotion? Or do you believe in objective truth that is true regardless of human emotion?
The "information" is largely slander, and it's posted in the most hurtful and insulting way possible.
There's nothing wrong with a doctrinal debate, that, if approached politely, can be a good and enlightening thing.
But there's a group who post items like this one whose purpose is to defame, slander, incite others to hatred...
Hence my calling this Friday's THREE MINUTES HATE.
Because that's what it is. Perhaps that information is true but "hurtful".
When you ain’t got nothing in the chamber, there’s always make believe.
Way to meet expectations SZ.
Elsie, your pre-prepared cherry-picked quotes aren’t “truth”, they’re venom. I’ll bet you’ve got a bunch of them.
But they’re entirely appropriate for Friday’s THREE MINUTES HATE.
Jesus was usually "on the attack" vs. the Pharisees. (You're not calling Jesus "ABUSIVE" are you?)
But I guess this definition of yours always requires judgmental armchair psychologists like yourself to "diagnose" complete strangers as to whether they're "obsessive" or not...
I'd think posters like you might fit better into the Pharisees' camp...Jesus accused them of being hypocrites.
And it's the posters around here who tend to trot out the judgmental descriptive term "obsessive" who seemingly have trouble applying it to the one religion (note I said Religion) more obsessed about the dead than any other.
IOW, if people are going to promote themselves as the Grand Arbiters of Finger-Pointing Perceived Obsessives on a MormonISM thread, you'd think they might actually look at the ISM that is obsessed to the nth degree with dead spirits!
But, alas, no. No consistency there at all. In fact, we them present themselves as the Grand Arbitrary Arbiters of Two-Faced Finger-Pointing.
Bingo, we have a winner !
Pathological hatred unrestrained tends to be abusive. And that it's pathological you can tell from the 5000 word canned posts that pop up two minutes after the last one. I know I can't research and type that fast !
Jimbo, are you defaming and slandering others again by your name-calling (of others as being defamatory & slanderous)???
Are we supposed to acknowledge your personal standards of preaching? [Be polite. Don't defame. Don't slander. Don't incite others to hatred]. Or do we use you as a posting model -- your practices -- and DO what you DO: Accuse others of hate; Accuse others of defaming others; Accuse others of slandering. Accuse others of inciting...ALL of which is itself defamatory & slanderous -- and by your own standards, comes across as "hateful" and provocative]
Please let us know WHICH we are to follow...your words or your acts? [Because they don't align]
BTW, "Purpose" = intent...motivation. Which implies you know what that is for this at-large "group"...which makes you a mind-reader...which violates posting policy.
What do you use? A magic 8-ball? A magic rock? Your personal urim & thummim?
Well, that pretty much covers it - long walk, short pier.
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