Moreover, I do not want 25% Christian nor 95%, but 100%. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN, YOU HAVE TO BE HOLY AS I MYSELF AM HOLY; I came to take you for a journey".
The problem: this statement says in order to get to heaven Christians must be 100% faithful and "Holy as I myself am Holy". This flys in the face of 1 John 1:8-11 (Emphasis added):
If we (i.e., Christians) say that WE have NO SIN, we are DECEIVING OURSELVES AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE HIM A LIAR AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US.
According to God's Word, believers are already sanctified, perfected and holy in the Lord Jesus Christ, not based upon anything which they have done or could do but based upon all that He has done for us:
By this will we HAVE BEEN SANCTIFIED through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL." (Hebrews 10:10, Emphasis added)
For by ONE offering HE HAS PERFECTED FOR ALL TIME THOSE WHO ARE SANCTIFIED. (Hebrews 10:14, Emphasis added)
Our standing as Christians is not dependent upon our holiness, sinlessness or faithfulness. It is totally dependent upon the finished work of Christ and the believer's position IN HIM. The Lord Jesus Christ has cleansed us:
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but YOU WERE WASHED, but YOU WERE SANCTIFIED, but YOU WERE JUSTIFIED in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)
Then the Lord showed me thousands of people who were SUFFERING IN HELL, and He told me: "You see, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE KNEW ME WHEN THEY WERE ON EARTH.
Biblically, there is a massive problem with the above false statement attributed to the Lord Jesus Christ. This statement says some of those suffering in hell KNEW Jesus when they were on earth (i.e., they were Christians) but ended up in hell anyway! This totally contradicts what Jesus Himself has said in John 10:25-30 (Emphasis mine):
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me.
“But you do not believe because you are NOT of MY SHEEP. “MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE AND I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME; AND I GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO THEM, AND THEY SHALL N E V E R PERISH; and NO ONE WILL SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY HAND.
“My Father, WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME IS GREATER THAN ALL; AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO SNATCH THEM OUR OF THE FATHER'S HAND who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
“I and the Father are one.” (John 10:27-30)
God does not contradict Himself, neither does His Word contradict itself. Therefore this woman's vision is false!
I asked Him: "ARE THERE CHRISTIANS IN THIS HELL?", He answered: "Yes, do you know why? They believed in Me but they did not walk according to my Word.
The above statement makes salvation dependent upon works not salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone totally apart from works. Therefore it is TOTALLY UNBIBLICAL and contradicts numerous New Testament passages
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. “He who BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT JUDGED; he who does not believe has been judged already, BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18, Emphasis added)
“He who BELIEVES in the Son HAS ETERNAL LIFE; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (John 3:36, Emphasis added. Note: Obey is equated with BELIEVING IN THE SON)
Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YOU BELIEVE IN HIM WHOM HE HAS SENT.” (John 6:28-29)
The Lord gave me a robe of fine linen and a crown. I wore the robe and the crown, then the Lord brought me to another place where I saw things like in a mirror. He told me: "There's neither stain nor crease on your robe, isn't it? None will enter through this door nor take place at this table, unless he is clothed like this. Some among my people on earth have dirtied their robes. Others have crumpled robes, and still others have put theirs aside, and have forgotten them. Tell my people that it's time they washed their robes, ironed them and took them back. Christians should ask the Holy Spirit to help them keeping their robes in good state, because the King will soon celebrate the Marriage Supper in His Father's kingdom".
This is a contradictory statement and God does not contradict Himself!: Jesus supposedly gave her a stainless, creaseless robe of fine linen and a crown and then he tells her the only way Christians get in is if they are "clothed like this" (i.e., pure, spotless, flawless) Then Jesus supposedly says that some have dirtied, crumpled or put aside their robes. He then falsely states that believers are to wash, iron and take their robes back. This is ridiculous and totally unscriptural! God Himself cleanses the believer (1 Corinthians 6:9-11), He is the one who washes and cleanses us, not we ourselves. He is the one who gives us robes bright and clean and Revelation 19:7-8 states that these robes are "THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS OF THE SAINTS"
“Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.”
It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen IS THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS OF THE SAINTS. (Revelation 19:7-8)
How can believers take back, wash and iron robes which are ALREADY "bright and clean" because they are "the righteous acts of the saints"? They can't, it is impossible! = The statements which she is attributing to Christ are FALSE.
The Lord answered me: "I will save your mother, but I will take her home immediately otherwise she will fall back into sin and go to hell. For this reason, as soon as she is converted, she will die some time later and come here, in paradise". Ridiculous statement. Our salvation is not based upon works. As we have seen in John 10:27-30 when the Lord Jesus Christ saves us, we are saved, NEVER to "perish". *Note, the word "never" found in John 10:28 is a TRIPLE NEGATIVE in the Greek: it could literally read:"not ever, never perish"
As Christians living in the last days we have a responsibility to "test the spirits to see if they are from God" and we are to "search the scriptures" to see if what we are being told is true. If what we are being told does not match up with God's Word 100% we are not to believe it or to follow those who tell us these things no matter how much we may like what they are saying:
Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on VISIONS he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and NOT HOLDING FAST TO THE HEAD (i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ), from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God. (Colossians 2:18-19, Emphasis added)
I’m going to have to hand it to you, you’re on the mark but you don’t seem to be able to grasp the difference between an Armenian and a Calvinist.
First, there is no discord between being called to be 100% sold out to Christ, to the point that you are making the effort to be Holy just as Christ is Holy, and your point that to say that we have no sin in our lives is deception. In fact, I’d say that understanding that we have sin in our lives, and seeking to repent from that sin, is part of being Holy because it requires us to humble ourselves before God.
Then again, you stated that there was a problem with Christ saying that some of those shown in Hell knew Him when they were on Earth. You jump to the conclusion that they must have been Christians, but the text doesn’t say that, it simply says that they knew Him. Slight, but important, difference there. No evidence that those shown were Christians, just that they knew Christ on earth.
Your next quote, however, is a real gem because you took it out of context. The passage is clearly meant to be understood that Christ was referring to social Christians who, like the seed who fell among thorns, accepted the Gospel but let the cares of this world rob them of their salvation. They, literally, turned their backs on God because they would rather live in the World than live a life devoted to God. The passages you mention are true, but they speak to God’s power to hold and preserve us, not to our willingness to remain in God’s protection. Big difference there.
Robes, now there’s one that I haven’t seen addressed before. Okay, so are our robes purchased by Christ’s sacrificial blood and kept clean from sin by our constant effort to remain Holy (confessing sin when we’re aware of it and repenting of it) or are they bought by the righteous acts of the Saints? Here’s a hint, you’re right about the righteous acts of the Saints, but those acts are the Saint’s desire to remain Holy just like Christ. The problems that were reported (dirty robes, crumpled robes, missing robes) are a reflection of sin in the believer’s life, even to the point of the believer turning their back on Christ.
Finally, the last point you make speaks more to the idea that a person can return to their old sins than anything else. Personal, first hand experience speaking here, but that is a very, very definate possibility. Backsliding is not only possible, but if a person dies while they are backslidden, they cannot enter into Heaven due to their sins. It’s the same reason that suicide is a ticket straight to hell, it’s intentional murder with no repentance.
I agree with your other point though, we need to test everything, no exceptions, before accepting it as true. I consider this that testing. I can be a little harsh at times, but considering that you’re trying to be a Berean about this, I can respect that.
It may be the weekend before I can respond to your post in detail.
Basically you appear to be assuming things that are not true—both about what Christ meant in his visitation statements and what the Scriptures you referenced meant as you are applying the verses to those statements.
Assumpationis and bias are poor foundations for accurate Biblical understanding.
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In this excerpt,....
I asked Him: "ARE THERE CHRISTIANS IN THIS HELL?", He answered: "Yes, do you know why? They believed in Me but they did not walk according to my Word. There are many, those Christians who only behave well when they are in the temple, in front of their pastors and their family. But they are greatly deceiving themselves. The eyes of my Father see everything and He understands every word, wherever you are. Tell my people that it's time they lived a holy life before my Father, before the devil and before the world.
I agree with you in regard to this jmouse.... Jesus clearly says they were Christians and knew Him. Not knew OF Him or ABOUT Him, but KNEW Him. He said they ended up in hell because they didn't do good works. That is contrary to the gospel where Christ's righteousness is imputed to us and credited to our account. If we have Christ's righteousness, then our day to day sin which we ALL do, cannot condemn us.
Then the Lord showed me thousands of people who were suffering in hell, and He told me: "You see, some of these people knew Me when they were on earth.
Again, here He says they knew Him.
The big problem with this account and others that make these statements is that the clear implication is that people are going to hell or heaven based on their works or sin.
Now, if there had been a statement that they were people who CLAIMED to know Jesus, or THOUGHT they were Christians, but they displayed that they did not have genuine faith since it did not result in the fruit of good works, then that would be different. But that isn't what was said. The person claims that these people who were in hell were actual Christians; actual believers who were saved at one time and now weren't because they sinned.
That is borne out in this statement....
The Lord answered me: "I will save your mother, but I will take her home immediately otherwise she will fall back into sin and go to hell. For this reason, as soon as she is converted, she will die some time later and come here, in paradise".
That's the clincher. It clearly says that the mother would be saved and then be lost later because of sin she would have fallen back into.
We don't get saved by works and we don't stay saved by works.
Galatians 3:1-3 1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
We all sin every day. Nobody is perfect and nobody is perfectly holy. It's God who sanctifies and justifies and grants us His holiness.
The danger with the message and others like it, is that it can lead people to believe that if they do the right things, they'll get into heaven, even if they haven't repented and don't have saving faith.
It's a message of works based salvation, not faith based.
I never have put a lot of stock in dreams and visions because most of them are not Scripturally sound.
Yes, these are fiction at best or satanic fantasies at worse.
Yes, Quix you are being misled by these false prophecies. Backsliding into sin is a sign that the person was never saved in the first place, she was never elect.
Awesome post, Jmouse007.