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To: Jmouse007; Quix; CynicalBear
You raise some excellent points. I went back and reread the article carefully. The implication is clearly that Christians can end up in hell due to sin in their lives.

In this excerpt,....

I asked Him: "ARE THERE CHRISTIANS IN THIS HELL?", He answered: "Yes, do you know why? They believed in Me but they did not walk according to my Word. There are many, those Christians who only behave well when they are in the temple, in front of their pastors and their family. But they are greatly deceiving themselves. The eyes of my Father see everything and He understands every word, wherever you are. Tell my people that it's time they lived a holy life before my Father, before the devil and before the world.

I agree with you in regard to this jmouse.... Jesus clearly says they were Christians and knew Him. Not knew OF Him or ABOUT Him, but KNEW Him. He said they ended up in hell because they didn't do good works. That is contrary to the gospel where Christ's righteousness is imputed to us and credited to our account. If we have Christ's righteousness, then our day to day sin which we ALL do, cannot condemn us.

Then the Lord showed me thousands of people who were suffering in hell, and He told me: "You see, some of these people knew Me when they were on earth.

Again, here He says they knew Him.

The big problem with this account and others that make these statements is that the clear implication is that people are going to hell or heaven based on their works or sin.

Now, if there had been a statement that they were people who CLAIMED to know Jesus, or THOUGHT they were Christians, but they displayed that they did not have genuine faith since it did not result in the fruit of good works, then that would be different. But that isn't what was said. The person claims that these people who were in hell were actual Christians; actual believers who were saved at one time and now weren't because they sinned.

That is borne out in this statement....

The Lord answered me: "I will save your mother, but I will take her home immediately otherwise she will fall back into sin and go to hell. For this reason, as soon as she is converted, she will die some time later and come here, in paradise".

That's the clincher. It clearly says that the mother would be saved and then be lost later because of sin she would have fallen back into.

We don't get saved by works and we don't stay saved by works.

Galatians 3:1-3 1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

We all sin every day. Nobody is perfect and nobody is perfectly holy. It's God who sanctifies and justifies and grants us His holiness.

The danger with the message and others like it, is that it can lead people to believe that if they do the right things, they'll get into heaven, even if they haven't repented and don't have saving faith.

It's a message of works based salvation, not faith based.

I never have put a lot of stock in dreams and visions because most of them are not Scripturally sound.

290 posted on 03/02/2011 5:57:31 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I went back and re-read it again and I’m inclined to believe you metmom. In fact the whole thing leaves out much at all about faith and Jesus atonement for our sins.


292 posted on 03/02/2011 6:06:47 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: metmom

I concur with your assessment metmom.

If one simply remains in faith with Christ, and in love for one’s fellow man or any number of situations God’s plan has for us, we will tend to perform good works. But if we focus on the works as good works, we will tend to perform the work on our outside of faith in Him, and slide into a legalistic form of thinking as we perform the works, making God a debtor, rather than through faith allowing Him to work through us.


294 posted on 03/02/2011 6:11:04 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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