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To: Cronos
ROMAN CATHOLIC DEMONSTRATING HE HAS NO IDEA REGARDING THE DISTINCTION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OPC AND PCA.
332 posted on 03/28/2011 3:28:58 AM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

The OPC (OrthodoPresbyterian C) and PCA (Presbyterian C in America) attack on American Christians

OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals from the OPC doctrinal website
{the OPC} sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement. In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today.

This is a very serious error (of the Pentecostals). In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.

OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Lutherans "The liberal church teaching of free will has infected the Lutherans, too, in contradiction to what Martin Luther taught from Scripture" by an OPC poster:
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Methodists: From the opc doctrinal website:
. Are Arminian (Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptist etc) preachers heretics? yes
. Is Arminianism (Methodism, Pentecostalism, Baptists) a damnable heresy? Yes.
. the teachings of Arminianism are contrary to Scripture, they are manifestly false. They are serious perversions of the gospel of Jesus Christ
"we see the inherent Satanism of Free-Will Arminianism" (accusing Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. who disagree with Calvin of preaching a gospel of Satan
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Methodists "John Wesley preached Universal Infant Damnation for unbaptized infants -- which is unsurprising, because Wesley preached the Gospel of Satan" by a PCA poster
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Judaism Acording to the OPC "Christians should not celebrate the Seder or other Jewish festivals. "
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Catholics together as targets of the OPC/PCA message of hate The PCA view: "This goes to what the Reformers taught; that is the "enthusiasts" or what we call today
Pentecostals, are really no different from the Roman Catholics
."

And I think this is one reason why it is easy for certain evangelicals, often from the "enthusiast" wing, find it easy to become Roman Catholic.

OPC/PCA preaching hatred and evil against Christians martyred by Moslems in the Middle East This man followed the wrong teachings of Rome and we know what happens to such people. Heaven is for the elect.
preaching hatred against the Eastern Orthodox Insinuating that the E. Orthodox are not helping others in Japan
preaching hatred against Adventists The Adventists are a cult that is as dangerous as the Jehovahs Witnesses or the Mormons
revealing their true beliefs that Christianity means only Calvinism and only their particular brand of Calvinism
  • OPC poster: "That's Christianity. That's Calvinism"
  • OPC " The problem with non-denominational churches is that there's nothing to stop the congregation from deciding to become Mormon or Unitarian, etc.
    There is something to be said for a diagonal form of church structuring, like the Presbyterians -- organized by a representative group of congregants. This actually strengthens the Christian imperative rather than dilutes it as so many non-denominational churches tend to do."
  • "Calvinism is the Gospel and to teach Calvinism is in fact to preach the Gospel."
    Arthur C. Custance, The Sovereignty of Grace, 1979.
  • "Calvinism is evangelicalism in its purest and only stable expression."
    B.B. Warfield, Calvin and Augustine, ed. Samuel G. Craig, 1956
  • "We believe with the great Baptist preacher, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, that Calvinism is just another name for Christianity."
    John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism, 1991.

Who are these hatred mongers of the OPC/PCA? What do they preach?

They preach:

  • That many of the unborn children (victims of baby-killers etc) will still go to hell, condemned by the OPC/PCA version of God
  • that they are alone among the upper caste of people who will be saved irrespective of their lives
  • that those who are not PCA/OPC are not elect and are damnable heretics (this includes all Pentecostals, Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Orientals, Mennonites, etc.)
  • A man was damned or saved; and it was not of his doing. The recognition of evil as equal with good, which rapidly becomes the worship of evil (the great Manichean heresy, which has roots as old as mankind; the permanent motive of Fear). They ascribe to God all our suffering, and, for most of us, necessary and eternal suffering.
  • They preach a syncretic mixed form of Hinduism and Christianity. They say that The Father predestinated the plan and the Son and Spirit agreed to the plan . God the Father is "conferencing" with the Son and the Spirit. As three seperate Gods. This is the OPC/PCA disclosure of their polytheism
  • They add to this by saying "There is no warrant in the scriptures for prayers to anyone other than God the Father. He is God and He is called Lord and Jesus, Paul and John address prayers solely to Him."
  • They preach exlusively from the writings of Paul and of Calvin, equating them and now there seems to be an elevation of Gresham Machen especially in the OPC by insinuations that St. Paul was senile

How numerous is this group spreading hatred?

The OPC and PCA combine consisting of about 400,000 people, yet the OPC was formed in the 1930s and has had two splits since then. It is heading for it's third split.

This is what an ex-Ruling Elder of the OPC says about this group:

From the Trinity Foundation

  • the Report continues the conspiracy of silence that has prevailed in the OPC for three decades. It leaves the erroneous impression that the serious doctrinal problems are outside the denomination, not within it. The Report gives false comfort to those who think the OPC is still a bastion of Biblical orthodoxy. On the contrary, the Report, and the 2006 General Assembly’s commendation of it, both maintain the OPC as a safe haven for those who teach error
  • Men within the OPC, including at least one member of the Committee itself, teach heresy regarding the Gospel and many other fundamentals of the faith.
  • The OPC long ago ceased to proclaim the one true Gospel to the exclusion of all false gospels
  • The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has abandoned the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ
  • The Orthodox Presbyterian Church was founded in 1936 by about 135 people who were offended by the lack of discipline in and doctrinal errors of the Presbyterian Church in the USA. .
    But early in its history the OPC fell under the influence of an agnostic view of propositional revelation emanating from Westminster Seminary -- a view that said that there is no identity of content between the \"Christian system\" of theology, meaning Reformed confessions of faith, and the \"divine system\" of theology, known only to God.

    This agnosticism has now brought the OPC to the point of falling. Like its predecessor, the PCUSA, the OPC has failed to discipline teachers who teach contrary to Scriptures and the Confession of Faith, and it has endorsed un-Biblical teaching about Scripture and the Gospel.

Are they spreading their message of hate?

Despite the crowing that one may hear or read, the actual numbers show a large number leaving the Presbyterians as a whole

2009 membership 2010 membership Lost Gained
PCUSA 2,934,952 2,844,952 90,000
PCA 335,000 340,000 5,500
OPC 21,123 21,530 407
Disappearing Presbyterians 84,100
The PCA is 300,000 in membership

2011 Church Membership: Southern Baptists Decline; Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons Increase

And PCA statistics provide a blurry snapshot says that Total membership in 2009 – 346,408, an increase of 5,556 while in contrast the PCUSA has 2,000,000 members --> and dropping

If the PCA adds in 5,500 members each year, they will reach 1 million members in 118 years

Yet one can't go by the same growth percentage as growth tapers as size increases. But even taking that fallacious number, it will be 40 years. That's not counting the number of splits it will have before then.

The truth is that they shout a lot more on internet forums, giving one a wrong idea of their actual size. Why should one oppose these attackers of Christianity and America?

Because they attack the very foundations of our country by having made God into a monster who DECIDES on creating evil -- they do this when they state that God has decided it is “better to bring good out of evil, than not to permit any evil to exist.

They neglect to ask themselves How does God decide anyway since He knows the outcome?Is He NOT sure in the first place and needs to make a decision because He does not understand Himself ,thus making Him not ALL knowing?

If the OPC robot-maker god created evil than evil is part of the essence of the OPC/PCA idea of God. This is not the Christian God

The OPC/PCA believe that Christ has evil in Him as part of His essence since the second person of the Trinity is God incarnate. This is a horrendous belief that leads only to more people leaving Christ.

The OPC and the PCA (combined are 350,000) posters have one aim only -- attacking anyone who is not a member of their little groups

The OPC/PCA seems to be no more than a larger version of the Westboro Baptists -- and like them they do not serve Christ.

The bible refers to the OrthodoPresbyterian and Presbyterian C in America (OPC/PCA) when we read:

Proverbs 6:12-14

A worthless person, a wicked man (OPC/PCA),
Walks with a perverse mouth;
He winks with his eyes,
He shuffles his feet,
He points with his fingers;
Perversity is in his heart,
He devises evil continually,
He sows discord.


333 posted on 03/28/2011 3:39:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Palin: 2012)
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To: Gamecock

Keep shouting if you wish — what differentiates you PCA types from the OPC. I’ll listen. Tell us.


334 posted on 03/28/2011 3:40:01 AM PDT by Cronos (Palin: 2012)
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To: Gamecock
The fact is that the PCA has the following beliefs (as shown on it's website www.pcahistory.org)

  1. A disbelief in the literal meaning of Genesis (there's a long-winded statement there, quite typical)
  2. A belief that many if not most miscarried and abortion victims (babies killed) go to hell,
  3. A belief that Methodists and Pentecostals are damnable heretics
  4. A belief that only Calvinism is pure Christianity
  5. A belief that sharing a meal with Jews as on Seder etc. is not only wrong but a horrendous sin (latent anti-semitism)
  6. A belief that Pentecostals are on the verge of if not already not Christians

Among many other strange beliefs.

As the PCA has grown, there are more cases of abuse, of money extorted etc. This sub-group is heading for having homosexual practising pastors living in "partnerships".

The PCA is no more than an extension of the PCUSA -- not completely there, but luring folks in until it reveals itself as the Pinko C in America

335 posted on 03/28/2011 3:48:43 AM PDT by Cronos (Palin: 2012)
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To: Gamecock
So, we're still waiting for your list of differences between the OPC and the PCA.

what are they?

Don't you both believe that Methodists and Pentecostals are damnable heretics?

354 posted on 03/28/2011 5:59:45 AM PDT by Cronos (Palin: 2012)
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