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To: Cronos; metmom; boatbums; Gamecock
Let us put this in simple English for you:

Us? Who is us? Are you a royal 'we', or are you getting this from the Magicsterium*?

Again, you know nothing. Every post you make proves it, so please -- do continue.

GC, MM, BB -- I'm still hearing something, but can't quite make it out....

Hoss

146 posted on 02/18/2011 8:18:06 AM PST by HossB86
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To: HossB86; Cronos
"Us? Who is us? Are you a royal 'we', or are you getting this from the Magicsterium*? "

Does you church not have a heuristic teaching authority or do you just gaze into a mirror?

149 posted on 02/18/2011 8:38:34 AM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: HossB86; dangus; Gamecock
Actually the "us" is me and dangus, both non-Calvinists, but we can also extend the "us" to all Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Pentecostals, Orthodox, Copts, Assyrians, Armenians, Ethiopians, Syriacs, etc. who reject the Calvinist robot-maker deity.

To make things easy for you to read, here are the details one more time since I see you missed reading them the first time around:

Putting this in simple English for you:

  1. Followers of Calvin do not believe in the God of Christianity. With their idea of limited atonement, they believe in a Robot-Maker in the sky, not God.

  2. Followers of Calvin disregard scripture such as John 4:42,1 Timothy 4:10 and 1 John 2:2

  3. Followers of Calvin believe in 0 free-will and in Total Depravity, which means they believe in a Robot God that creates some robots evil and creates others "good" and programs the evil to do evil and the good to do good.

  4. Hence the followers of Calvin preach that Calvin's robot-maker is the root of evil as he pre-programmed all the robots (men) to do either good or evil.

  5. The Robots cannot, according to the followers of Calvin, change anything as it is their programming. This is quite in contrast to Ezekiel 33:12-16

    [12] Thou therefore, O son of man, say to the children of thy people: The justice of the just shall not deliver him, in what day soever he shall sin: and the wickedness of the wicked shall not hurt him, in what day soever he shall turn from his wickedness: and the just shall not be able to live in his justice, in what day soever he shall sin.

    [13] Yea, if I shall say to the just that he shall surely live, and he, trusting in his justice, commit iniquity: all his justices shall be forgotten, and in his iniquity, which he hath committed, in the same shall he die.

    [14] And if I shall say to the wicked: Thou shalt surely die: and he do penance for his sin, and do judgment and justice,

    [15] And if that wicked man restore the pledge, and render what he had robbed, and walk in the commandments of life, and do no unjust thing: he shall surely live, and shall not die.

    [16] None of his sins, which he hath committed, shall be imputed to him: he hath done judgment and justice, he shall surely live.

  6. Hence the followers of Calvin believe in their great robot-maker in the sky, they do not believe in the Christian God of Love who came to atone for the sins of ALL men. The Calvinists deny the fact that the grace provided by Christ's sacrifice was sufficient to save all men

    1 Timothy 2:4
    For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, [4] Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

  7. Net-net, the followers of Calvin believe in a god like a robot-maker who pre-programs some to do good, some to do evil and pre-marks them willfully to burn in hell forever or not. This is not the Christian God

In contrast to the evil robot-maker deity of the followers of Calvin, there is the Christian God.

Lutherans, Anglicans, Pentecostals, CAtholics, Mennonites, Orthodox, Copts, Armenians, Ethiopians, Assyrians believe in this Christian God in contrast to the followers of Calvin and their robot-maker deity.

God created Adam and Eve in His own image, perfect. God did not stop at Adam and eve and than create everyone else differently or God can be moved from perfection.Thus God would lack perfection from eternity

Man may be born with the Original stain, but men by free will become evil since God from created all things good,thus putting an end to Calvin's theory of God predestining people to hell and man having no free will.

Calvinism 101: God is the author of sin. Man is not responsible for his actions.

Followers of Calvin have made God into a monster who DECIDES on creating evil -- they do this when they state that God has decided it is “better to bring good out of evil, than not to permit any evil to exist.

Yet the followers of Calvin neglect to ask themselves How does God decide anyway since He knows the outcome?Is He NOT sure in the first place and needs to make a decision because He does not understand Himself ,thus making Him not ALL knowing?

If the Calvinist robot-maker god created evil than evil is part of the essence of Calvinism's god.

Thus,by this belief the followers of Calvin believe that Christ has evil in Him as part of His essence since the second person of the Trinity is God incarnate.

150 posted on 02/18/2011 8:43:46 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: HossB86

Sounds like harping to me.

And it will turn into weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth someday.


157 posted on 02/18/2011 9:18:39 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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