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Posted on 02/08/2011 7:12:21 AM PST by Gamecock
HINDUS HAVE applauded Pope Benedict for including verse from ancient Hindu scripture Upanishads in the Good Friday Meditations and Prayers led by him at Roman Colosseum.
Acclaimed Hindu statesman Rajan Zed, in a statement in Nevada (USA) today, said that it was a remarkable gesture from Pope and invited him to study more ancient Hindu scriptures, which were very rich in philosophical thought. He or other Hindu scholars would gladly provide the help and resources in this regard, if asked, Zed added.
Zed, who is president of Universal Society of Hinduism, also commended His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI for inclusion of a verse from India’s Nobel Laureate Rabindranath Tagore’s Gitanjali and reference to peace icon Mahatma Gandhi in these prayers.
This year’s 'Way of the Cross at the Colesseum' Meditations and Prayers on Good Friday, led by Pope, included well-known verse from Brahadaranyakopanishad (“Lead me from the unreal to the real, from darkness to light, from death to immortality”), line from Tagore’s Gitanjali (“Give me the strength to make my love fruitful in service”) and reference to Mahatma Gandhi.
Rajan Zed stressed that all religions should work together for a just and peaceful world. Dialogue would bring us mutual enrichment, he added.
Pope Benedict heads the Roman Catholic Church, which is the largest of the Christian denominations. Hinduism, oldest and third largest religion of the world, has about one billion adherents and moksha (liberation) is its ultimate goal.
Well the arguement could be made if it was a quote or not...damage control in Catholicism is renowned as we know. However Christianity is not a "philosphy" nor should be aligned with those whose are. Rather as Christians we called to stand for the truth and oppose false teachings and religions...just as Christ did.
The problem is increased for the Popes push to unite the various religions...which this act supports as does others he has performed...and will continue do so as he marches the catholic church toward a one world religion. Along with this the deceptions the masses will be under and for that follow. Catholics are wired to to follow their leadership...even against their own common sense.
Thank you DannyTN
“But then I remember Paul who used the pagan statue of the unknown God to teach pagans about the One God.”
Maybe you should be rebuking Paul too.
Those already completely invested in the idea that the Catholic Church can do no right have no time for such reasoned and thoughtful arguments, although non-inmates of the asylum and other passers-by may receive some lasting benefit.
No one has to trash the Pope and the Catholic faith...they do this on their own......time and time again. The problem is those within the catholic faith who simply accept and abide by whatever is determined, performed or spoken by their leadership, regardless if it stands the test of scripture or not...of the truths Christ taught us or not. Further they cannot know what is true until they themsleves read and understand Gods word....which most do not. Therefore they will continue to be mislead down a road which at one point they will not be able to return from.
Are you so reformed that you have nothing better to do than bash other Christians?
Are you such a perfect Christian, that you main focus in life is not to practice your faith but to admonish other people's faith?
I suspect that is not the case at all and that quite possibly your behavior is a symptom...a telling behavior...and that it is most likely indicative of someone who is rather uncomfortable in their own beliefs.
Perhaps you may not believe your religion is all that “Reformed” after all...?
MOST Protestants believe Catholics are Christians. Maybe your interpretation of scripture is a bit off.
That's okay though. You've just demonstrated more than once the classic ad hominem fallacy. 1) Don't respond to the statement (in this instance the mention of Jesus' statement 'You will KNOW them by their fruit'), 2) instead direct the focus OFF of that statement, and attack the person (me) by attempting to re-direct the argument from 'KNOW them by their fruits' to the dreaded 'don't judge' misinterpretation of scripture, 3) thereby impugning my character so the initial point of the argument is lost.
You not only do this once, you've done it yet a THIRD time by telling me to get 'my rocks ready'.
LOL indeed. By adopting this debate strategy you've already lost the debate. :)
Now a FOURTH time now I will re-ask the question to see if you're going to repeat the same fallacy over again:
II Tim. 4:2 says, "preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction."
How are you going to reprove or rebuke if you can't JUDGE that someone is in ERROR?
This is one of my favorite quotes from a fellow FReeper
Hegewisch Dupa
“Too many here can’t wait to unzip their dogma and swing it around in an obnoxious superiority dance.”
That’s how I see these threads. It’s one of the reasons I give up FR for lent. Seems the 40 days before Easter brings them out of the woodwork. Especially during The Easter Triduum. They “love” us SOOOO much, I have to go to confession!
Well thank you so much Netmilsmom; and Jacknhoo, for what my opinion’s worth, your post nailed it
Another reason to question highly who is or not Christian in the catholic church.
Hindu pagan rituals at a Catholic Mass.
http://www.cfnews.org/CF-HinduMass.htm
Thanks but I'll pass, you're doing a fine job all by yourself. You've missed the main point (yet again).
The Pope isn't referring to an UNKNOWN god by which to present the Gospel. The Hindu God is very much a KNOWN god the Pope is seeking to unify with the same as has been done with Islam in your very own catechism #841.
If the Pope told you all to drink poison koolaid you'd do it without question. Obey the Pope, defend the Pope, issue damage control, refer to Church 'tradition' but NEVER EVER obey Scripture. Got it.
>>LOL is right! Still avoiding the question huh? I guess its just so much easier to bash somebody else.<<
Please quote where I “bashed” anyone.
I told you to get your stones ready, afterall that’s what the crowd did when Jesus Himself told us to Judge NOT.
So your own interpretation of scripture, i.e. II Timothy 4-2, must be off and I have no need to go with your interpretation.
“LOL indeed. By adopting this debate strategy you’ve already lost the debate. :)”
Your opinion is off again.
There IS no Hindu God.
Unless you think there is.
Me, I know only ONE God.
>>If the Pope told you all to drink poison koolaid you’d do it without question. Obey the Pope, defend the Pope, issue damage control, refer to Church ‘tradition’ but NEVER EVER obey Scripture. Got it.<<
Got what? Catholics know you are a Sister in Christ.
We have a bigger enemy than eachother FRiend.
I think he tinkled in some cherrios this morning.
They’re Canadians.
They tend to be a bit off.
Good to see you again!
Correction....They're 'CATHOLIC' Canadians having a Hindu Mass in their church. Amazing the lengths catholics go to excuse the obvious within their churches...stunning!
No actually my interpretation is spot on. It comes directly from the Greek. My focus in getting you to answer II Timothy 4:2 (which you have still REFUSED to do) is to get you to focus on where your interpretation is wrong. There are times when we are to make judgements. Never with the desire to condemn, but with the goal of discerning truth and error. We have to in order to be able to reprove or rebuke don't we? IF we are never ever to judge based on your view then we can't possibly ever reprove anyone. Get it? Which is why you won't answer the question, you can't.
When Jesus commanded us to 'KNOW them by their fruit' He is telling us to be discerning. Watch the actions of your leaders. You will KNOW whether you are leading you rightly or wrongly by WHAT THEY DO. You ignore this at your own peril.
Your 4th time now refusal to answer the question tells me all I need to know about you and about Catholicism.
On that we can agree.
Unfortunately Hindus believe there IS.
So, why doesn't the Pope tell them there ISN'T, then show them the way to Christ???? Its what the Apostles would have done.
Instead what is the catholic hierarchy doing? Preaching a non-biblical 'all paths lead to God' blasphemy. That's what he's doing. With the Hindus and with Islam (Catechism #841). Tells me all I need to know.
Read what I posted again, in context, without an agenda to catch either me or the Pope in some kind of gotcha. Because that must be what you are doing, since I clearly stated, "The point is though, for that kind of service, on Good Friday, it’s perfectly acceptable to pray, “lead us from darkness to light” because that’s exactly what Christ did when He died on Good Friday. He descended into the grave, surely a “dark” place, and then proceeded to destroy our slavery to the grave, thus leading us to “light”."
Put another way, I don care what some New Age freak does with his own mouth, in his own language, at whatever service they have. It doesn't matter. It can't matter that the same phrase used in a Christian service could also be used in some pagan service. Otherwise, I'm sure I could find some word or phrase from the Lord's Prayer that's just the same as some Satanic ritual or whatever, but does that mean the Lord's Prayer is pagan?
Of course not. The point is that if words or a phrase is co-opted by Christianity, it becomes Christian in context! Or else, we might as well concede the point that Christmas is a "pagan holiday", since it was, in fact, a pagan celebration before the Church came along.
Heck, maybe you are such a person. If so this point is already lost on you. Either way, this is a waste of time. It's pointless to argue this. It's ridiculous to suggest merely because a prayer was pagan at one point, that exact phrase somehow can't be used by Christianity. It's ridiculous to suggest that, when the prayer itself isn't directed to a pagan god but to Jesus Christ, God in the flesh.
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