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How The Reformation Changed The Church
frontline.org ^ | Dr. Peter Hammond

Posted on 02/05/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by Gamecock

In the book of Judges we read about another generation which arose, which knew neither the Lord nor what He had done (Judges 2:10). Today, it appears that a generation has arisen, which like Israel under the Judges, knows little of either the Lord nor of what He did during the time of the Protestant exodus and the struggles in the wilderness, which followed in the 16th and 17th century. Sometimes this is from a cowardly dislike of controversy and confrontation. But few people seem to understand either the evils from which the Reformation delivered us or the blessings which the Reformation won for us.

The Reformation delivered the Church from gross ignorance and spiritual darkness The church, before the Reformation, was a church without the Bible. And a church without a Bible is as useless as a lighthouse without light, a candlestick without a candle, or a motor vehicle without an engine. The priests and people knew scarcely anything about God’s Word or the way of salvation in Christ.

Bishop J.C. Ryle described the situation: “The immense majority of the clergy did little more than say masses and offer up pretended sacrifices, repeat Latin prayers and chant Latin hymns (which of course most of the people could not understand), hear confessions, grant absolutions, give extreme unction, and take money to get dead people out of purgatory.”

Bishop Latimer observed: “When the devil gets influence in a church, up go candles and down goes preaching.”

Quarterly sermons (that is, once every three months) were prescribed to the clergy, but not insisted upon. Latimer noted that while the mass was never left unsaid for a single Sunday, sermons might be omitted for 20 Sundays in succession. Indeed, to preach much was to incur the suspicion of being a heretic.

Bishop Hooper, who along with Bishop Latimer was burned alive at the stake under Queen Mary, did a survey in 1551 and found that out of 311 clergy in his Diocese, 168 were unable to repeat the Ten Commandments, 31 of those 168 could not even say in which part of the Scripture the Ten Commandments were to be found, 40 could not tell where the Lord’s Prayer was written, and 31 of the 40 did not even know who the author of the Lord’s Prayer was!

Bishop Ryle summarized the situation: “Before the Reformation was a religion without knowledge, without faith and without lively hope – a religion without justification, regeneration and sanctification – a religion without any clear views of Christ and the Holy Ghost. Except in rare instances, it was little better than an organized system of Mary worship, saint worship, image worship, relic worship, pilgrimages, alms giving, formalism, ceremonialism, processions, penances, absolutions, masses and blind obedience to the priests. It was a huge higgledy-piggledy of ignorance and idolatry, and serving an unknown God by deputy. The only practical result was that the priests took the people’s money and undertook to secure their salvation. And the people flattered themselves that the more they gave to the priests, the more sure they were to go to Heaven!”

The Reformation delivered the church from childish superstitions The Roman Catholic church, before the Reformation, taught its members to seek spiritual benefit from so-called relics of dead saints and to treat them with divine honor. Calvin’s “Inventory of Relics” and Hobart Seymour’s “Pilgrimage to Rome” catalog some of the ludicrous swindles which were perpetrated by the church of Rome. This included pieces of wood “of the true cross” enough to load a large ship, thorns professing to be part of the Saviour’s crown of thorns, enough to make a huge faggot, at least 14 nails said to have been used at the Crucifixion, four spearheads – each purporting to be the one which pierced our Lord’s side, at least three seamless coats of Christ, for which the soldiers cast lots, Saint James’s hand, bones of Mary Magdalene, toenails from Saint Edmund, some bread, purported to have been used by Christ at the Last Supper, a girdle of the Virgin Mary and milk from the Virgin Mary! The Royal Commissioners of Henry VIII examined a vial at the Abbey in Gloucestershire, which was said to contain the blood of Christ! The Commissioners found that it contained the blood of a duck.

There were literally thousands of profane and vile inventions, fabrications and deceptions, which Roman priests imposed on the people before the Reformation. They must have known that they were deceiving the people, yet they persisted in presenting these lies and requiring that the ignorant laity believe them. Sometimes the priests induced dying sinners to give vast tracts of lands to abbeys and monasteries, in order to atone for their bad lives. In one way or another, they were continually separating sinners from their money and accumulating property and wealth in the hands of the Roman church.

The power of the priests was practically despotic and was used for every purpose except the advancement of the Christian faith. It seemed that their primary object was power. To them confession had to be made. Without their absolution and extreme unction no professing Christian could be saved. Without their masses no soul could be redeemed from purgatory. In short, they were, to all intents and purposes, the mediators between Christ and man. To please and honor the Roman church was a devout Christian’s first duty. To injure them was the greatest of sins. One of the indulgences issued in 1498, with the authority of the Pope, claimed: “To absolve people from usury, theft, manslaughter, fornication and all crime whatsoever, except smiting the clergy and conspiring against the Pope!”

A starving man in a famine may be reduced to eating rats and rubbish, rather than die of hunger. Similarly, a conscience-stricken soul, deprived of God’s Word, should not be judged too harshly by us, if they struggled to find comfort in the most debasing superstition. However, we must never forget that it was from such superstitions which the Reformation delivered us.

The Reformation delivered the church from blatant immorality Before the Reformation, the lives of the clergy were simply scandalous. There were brothels in the Vatican. The Popes, Cardinals and Bishops openly consorted with prostitutes and engaged in the most debauched orgies. The local priests became notorious for gluttony, drunkenness and gambling. As Bishop Ryle pointed out: “To expect the huge roots of ignorance and superstition, which filled our land, to bear any but corrupt fruit, would be unreasonable and absurd.”

Contemporary art depicted friars as foxes preaching with the neck of a stolen goose peeping out of the hood behind; as wolves giving absolution, with the sheep partly concealed under their cloaks; or as apes sitting on a sick man’s bed with a crucifix in one hand and with the other hand in the suffering person’s pocket! Such public contempt in art reflects the scorn with which the clergy were held at the time.

Bishop Ryle pointed out: “But the blackest spot on the character of our pre-Reformation clergy in England is one of which it is painful to speak … their horrible contempt of the 7th Commandment … the consequences of shutting up herds of men and women in the prime of life, in monasteries and nunneries, were such that I will not defile my paper by dwelling upon them … if ever there was a plausible theory weighed in the balance and found utterly wanting, it is the favorite theory that celibacy and monasticism promote holiness … monasteries and nunneries were frequently sinks of iniquity.”

The report of the Royal Commissioners, under Henry VIII, declared: “That manifest sin, vicious, carnal and abominable living, is daily used and committed in abbeys, priories, and other religious houses of monks, cannons and nuns, and that albeit many continual visitations have been had, by the space of 200 years or more, for an honest and charitable reformation of such unthrifty, carnal and abominable living, yet that nevertheless, little or none amendment was hitherto had, but that their vicious living shamefully increased and augmented.”

It was observed that: “There is no surer recipe for promoting immorality than fullness of bread and abundance of idleness.” (Ezekiel 16:49) It is from such superstition, corruption, immorality, ignorance and idolatry that the Reformation freed the church.

The Reformation gave the church back the Bible In 1519, six men and a woman were burned at Coventry for teaching their children the Ten Commandments, the Lord’s Prayer and the Apostle’s Creed in English. Nothing seems to have alarmed and enraged the Roman priesthood as much as the spread of Bibles in the local language. It was for the crime of translating the Bible into English that the Reformer, William Tyndale, was burned at the stake. Of all the aspects which combined to make up the Reformation, no other aspect received such bitter opposition as the translation and circulation of the Scriptures. The translation of the Bible struck a blow at the root of the whole Roman Catholic system. The Bible, as the only rule of faith and conduct, freely available in the local languages, was a threat to all the superstitions and abuses of the medieval Roman popery. With the Bible in every parish church, every thoughtful man soon saw that the religion of the priests had no basis in Holy Scripture.

The Reformation opened the road to the throne of Grace The way of salvation had become blocked up and made impassible by heaps of superstitious rubble. “He who desired to obtain forgiveness had to seek it through a jungle of priests, saints, Mary worship, masses, penances, confession, absolution and the like, so that there might as well have been no throne of Grace at all.” J.C. Ryle

The Reformers hacked their way through this huge jungle of papal obstruction and cleared the way for every heavy-laden sinner to go straight to the Lord Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

The Reformation restored Biblical simplicity to worship Before the Reformation, the laity were only present at church services as passive, ignorant spectators. The elaborate, theatrical presentations of the sacraments were a solemn farce because the ceremonies and prayers were in Latin. The laity could bring their bodies to the services, but their minds, understanding, reason and spirit could take no part at all. For this reason, the 24th Article of the Church of England declared: “It is a thing totally repugnant to the Word of God and the custom of the primitive church to have public prayer in the church or to minister the sacraments in a tongue not understood of the people.”

The Reformation gave a Biblical understanding of the office of a minister Before the Reformation, the concept of the Christian ministry was sacerdotal. That is – it was understood that every clergyman was a sacrificing priest. The clergy were understood to hold the keys of Heaven and to be practically the mediators between God and man.

The Reformers brought the office of the clergy down to its Scriptural level. They stripped it entirely of any sacerdotal character. They cast out the words “sacrifice” and “altar”. They taught that the clergy were pastors, ambassadors, messengers, witnesses, evangelists, teachers and ministers of the Word and sacraments. The Reformers taught that the chief business of every Christian minister is to preach the Word and to be diligent in prayer and the reading of the Scriptures. The Reformers taught the immense superiority of the pulpit to the confessional. For this reason, where the altar used to be, the Lord’s table was placed with an open Bible, or a pulpit, showing the centrality of God’s Word in the worship of Protestant churches.

The Reformation restored a Biblical understanding of holiness Before the Reformation, it was believed that a monastic life and vows of celibacy were the only ways to escape sin and to attain sanctification. Multitudes of men and women poured into the monasteries and convents under the vain idea that this would please God and ensure their eternal salvation.

The Reformers struck at the root of this fallacy by establishing the great Scriptural principle that true religion was not to be found in retiring into convents and monasteries and fleeing from the difficulties of daily life, but in manfully facing up to our difficulties and doing our duty diligently - in every position to which God calls us. It is not by running away from the world, that we fulfill God’s call, but by courageously resisting the devil, the flesh and the world and overcoming them in daily life. That is how true holiness is to be exhibited. For this reason, the Reformers dissolved the monasteries and convents in their areas and freed the inmates to be reintegrated into normal life.

The Reformers also ordered that the Ten Commandments be set up in every parish church and taught to every child, and that our duty towards God and our neighbor be set forth in the Catechism. They insisted that you cannot become saints by shirking your duties in society.

A Heritage of Faith and Freedom We must continually thank God for the Reformation. It lit the flames of knowledge and freedom which we must ensure are never allowed to be extinguished or to grow dim. We need to continually remember that the Reformation was won for us by the blood of many tens of thousands of martyrs. It was not only by their preaching and praying, and writing and legislation, but by their sacrifices that our religious liberty, freedom of conscience and Christian heritage was won.

The Reformation found church members steeped in ignorance and left them in possession of knowledge. It found them without Bibles and left them with the Bible in every parish. It found them in darkness and left them in light. It found them bound in fear and left them enjoying the liberty and peace which only Christ can give. It found them strangers to the blood of Christ’s atonement, to faith, grace and holiness and left them with the key of all those blessings in their hands. It found them blind and left them with spiritual eyes to see. It found them slaves to superstition and set them free to serve Christ.

As Bishop Ryle declared: “Are we to return to a church which boasts that she is infallible and never changes – to a church which has never repented her pre-Reformation superstitions and abominations – to a church which has never confessed and abjured her countless corruptions? Are we to go back to gross ignorance of true religion? Shame on us, I say, if we entertain the idea for a moment! Let the Israelite return to Egypt, if he will. Let the prodigal go back to his husks among the swine. Let the dog return to his vomit. But let no Englishman with brains in his head, ever listen to the idea of exchanging Protestantism for Popery, or returning to the bondage of the church of Rome. No, indeed! … God forbid! The man who counsels such base apostasy and suicidal folly, must be judicially blind. The iron collar has been broken; let us not put it on again. The prison has been thrown open; let us not resume the yoke and return to our chains … Let us not go back to ignorance, superstition, priestcraft and immorality.”

If you have a Bible in your own language, and enjoy to read and study God’s Word, never forget that you owe that Bible to the Reformation. Brave men and women died that you could have the freedom to delight in God’s Word.

If you know the joy of sins forgiven and new life in Christ, if you are walking by faith and enjoying peace with God, never forget that you owe this priceless privilege to the Reformation.

If you enjoy Church services, Scripture choruses, Hymns, prayers and sermons in your own language, remember that for this you are also indebted to the Reformation.

If you appreciate the Biblical and practical sermons of your pastor, and his counsel, never forget that for this you are indebted to the Reformation. The Reformation is the source of many blessings. We need to ask if we are on the side of the Reformers, or of those who burned them and the Bible. “… Contend earnestly for the Faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” Jude 3


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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Thanks for the book recommendation, dear Ruy Dias de Bivar!
821 posted on 02/07/2011 9:45:14 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cronos; Quix; Ruy Dias de Bivar
In my view, the ever deepening and widening divide between those who take God seriously and those who do not - whether clergy or laity - is a "sign of the times."

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. - Revelation 22:10-13


822 posted on 02/07/2011 9:50:48 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Gamecock
"The church, before the Reformation, was a church without the Bible. "

C'mon man, without the Catholic Church there would not be any Bible.

823 posted on 02/07/2011 9:53:06 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: ex-snook

Without the Holy Spirit there would be no Bible.


824 posted on 02/07/2011 9:56:45 AM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: smvoice; bkaycee; one Lord one faith one baptism; MarkBsnr; wagglebee; Judith Anne; ...
Sheesh, Smvoice -- STOP READING EXCERPTS, sorry for the shouting, but it's not good to read verses out of context. I pointed this out earlier to others when proving that the Eucharist is what was inaugurated by Christ and clearly validated by Paul.

Here is 1 Cor 1 for you:
[10] Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no schisms among you; but that you be perfect in the same mind, and in the same judgment.

[11] For it hath been signified unto me, my brethren, of you, by them that are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

[12] Now this I say, that every one of you saith: I indeed am of Paul; and I am of Apollo; and I am of Cephas; and I of Christ.

[13] Is Christ divided? Was Paul then crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

[14] I give God thanks, that I baptized none of you but Crispus and Caius;

[15] Lest any should say that you were baptized in my name.

[16] And I baptized also the household of Stephanus; besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

[17] For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of speech, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.
READ IN CONTEXT --> READ IN CONTEXT -- PAul is talking about schisms, just like the multiple groups that tear the body of Christ asunder -- one saying they are of Calvin, the other of Arminius, etc. etc.

READ IT IN CONTEXT, Paul says he baptised some but not all and emphases that the baptism is IN CHRIST's NAME, not in Paul or Apollo's name

READ IN CONTEXT and see this has nothing whatsoever to do with your WRONG, YOPIOS interpretation of it being some kind of baptism v/s preaching, but this is talking about UNITY -- READ IN CONTEXT, stop reading excerpts and quoting them as if they mean something standing on their own in the wrong context

825 posted on 02/07/2011 9:58:57 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Gamecock; ex-snook

Gamecock — you’re putting an either/or when there is actually an AND —> Without the Holy Spirit there would be no Bible, without the Church there would not be canon.


827 posted on 02/07/2011 10:01:25 AM PST by Cronos
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To: IrishCatholic; Natural Law

Ping to post 825 — our non-Church friends’ theology based on excerpts out of context


828 posted on 02/07/2011 10:06:33 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; one Lord one faith one baptism
Note the CONTEXT of Cornelius' baptism -- he was the FIRST GENTILE to be baptised, and this was BECAUSE the Holy Spirit did something unusual -- unlike for Jesus when the Holy Spirit descended at the time of baptism, this was different, this was the Holy Spirit talking to the Apostles telling them to preach and baptise Gentiles without first making them jews

The normal way that happened in every other place in acts and the letters is for the holy Spirit to come in baptism, and then the gifts ofthe Holy Spirit.

However, let me note -- this does not deny the efficacy of baptism, it only points out that baptism is necessary, whether before or after.
829 posted on 02/07/2011 10:10:35 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
"Ping to post 825 — our non-Church friends’ theology based on excerpts out of context.

The most disturbing practice, and the one that gets them into so many convoluted theological positions is the insistence of reading verses of Paul outside the context f the Synoptic Gospels. It leads to the interpretation of a whole new Gospel and the relegation of Jesus to nothing more than another John the Baptist preparing the way for the Gospel of Paul.

They need to accept Paul for what he is and see the infinite wisdom of His Word in the context of the actual words, works, teachings, and examples of Christ.

830 posted on 02/07/2011 10:14:34 AM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: Cronos
READ IN CONTEXT, CRONOS.

Paul said he was sent to preach THE GOSPEL, NOT TO BAPTIZE.

The GOSPEL that the 12 were sent to preach INCLUDED BAPTISM for remission of sins. The Gospel of the Kingdom.

If Paul did not preach and perform baptism for the remission of sins, then he was NOT preaching the same Gospel that the 12 were commissioned to preach. And INDEED he preached the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD.

And if you will allow me, I shall include 1 Cor. 1:18 for CONTEXT. The verse you left out.

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness: but unto us which are saved, it is the power of God."

You see, baptism for remission of sins was not part of the Gospel of the Grace of God that was given to Paul. He preached Christ's finished work on THE CROSS as our remission of sins. Paul was sent to preach THAT GOSPEL, the Gospel of the Grace of God. NOT TO BAPTIZE FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. That's part of the Kingdom Gospel.

Romans 1:16,17 tells you where our righteousness and remission of sins comes from. And it's NOT water baptism.

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for IT (the gospel of Christ) is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth...

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed.."

831 posted on 02/07/2011 10:37:34 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Cronos

I’ll post the verses again.

Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever BELIEVETH in him shall receive REMISSION of SINS.

Act 10:44 ¶ While Peter yet spake THESE WORDS, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Note that after this Peter asked THOSE WITH HIM if they could forbid water. he did not ask God.


832 posted on 02/07/2011 10:45:40 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Iscool
So who doesn't believe that Jesus is God???

"No replies. "

I hope you're not holding your breath waiting for an answer.

833 posted on 02/07/2011 10:55:06 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RnMomof7

What they have to do is stop the run on making it to the playoffs and snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.

And that goes for hockey as well.


834 posted on 02/07/2011 10:59:47 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%

And my family has always lived that way and we have lost 100’s of thousands of dollars accordingly. And almost the farm.

Nevertheless, I still believe . . . God will repay

the good and the bad.


835 posted on 02/07/2011 11:00:30 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos

Right after He blessed the cup Jesus went and called it *the fruit of the vine*.

Why don’t you believe His own words?

Matthew 26:29
I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Mark 14:25
Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

Luke 22:18
For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”


836 posted on 02/07/2011 11:02:56 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: IrishCatholic

No, it’s not an apology and I have done no evil.


837 posted on 02/07/2011 11:04:02 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: IrishCatholic; metmom
"No, it’s not an apology and I have done no evil."

IC -

Note that she claims herself to be without sin yet claims that the Blessed Virgin was a sinner. She claims that Jesus came only to preach to the Jews and that we are not to pray to the any member of the Trinity other than God the Father. She denies the Real Presence. Shall we add to her prevarications her claim to actually be a Christian?

838 posted on 02/07/2011 11:22:28 AM PST by Natural Law (As a Catholic I know I am held to a higher standard (but it's worth it).)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You bet cha


839 posted on 02/07/2011 11:33:34 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Cronos
John 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.

Another obvious metaphor for spiritual satisfaction.

Matt 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

OMG! another spiritual food metaphor

John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

Notice verse 54 ends with the same result, "raise him up on the last day". verse 54 is the metaphor for verse 40!

John 6:47"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. 48" I am the bread of life. 49" Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50"This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.

Another obvious metaphor, comparing belief to eating.

John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

Why no mention of eating His body to the pharisees?

Augustine rightly warns that "to take signs for the things that are signified by them, is a mark of weakness and bondage" (On Christian Doctrine 3,9). Augustine is here referring to the sacrament of baptism and the celebration of the body and blood of the Lord. Thus, to confuse the bread (the sign) for the body of Christ (the signified) is, according to Augustine a mark of weakness and bondage. http://www.justforcatholics.org/a181.htm

840 posted on 02/07/2011 11:37:15 AM PST by bkaycee
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