Posted on 02/05/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by Gamecock
Be the first. Tell us what traditions it was to which Paul was referring that were passed down to the believers that he wanted them to hold to.
Tell us what they specifically are and how you know it. What are the sources you use to back up that knowledge?
The RM is the one who’s been telling people to cite quotes.
Take it up with him if you don’t like what I say.
It took a minute to figgar out how they did it. (chuckle)
What a great illustration of the authors point. During the Dark Ages Bible literacy was terrible, even the clergy were ignorant. So the public would never question transubstantiation and the need for grace refills.
And I'll raise you annulments-aka Catholic divorce, homosexual priests, and pedophile priests.
No Catholic is any position to point fingers at queer clergy.
Yep. Exactly.
They'll be asked a simple question, then refuse to answer it until you promise something totally off-topic, i.e. "I'll answer your question right after you tell us when you stopped beating your children."
ANYTHING not to be confronted by the clear words of Scripture.
ROTFLMAO!
“All these verses suggest that we are to follow the tradition of the apostles and the whole of Christianity is not found in scripture.”
Actually, only the Roman Catholic Church suggests this; it is, according to scripture, the teachings of Christ, through the apostles, that are to be obeyed. The made-up, false doctrines of purgatory, indulgences, Maryolatry, celibate priests, penance and a whole slew of others ARE NOT that tradition.
If it is, then please show where in scripture it is supported! Or, demonstrate, completely — COMPLETELY — the line of succession for each one of these “doctrines” straight back to Christ.
Otherwise, shouldn’t you stick with what is in the scripture?
Hoss
Well, it looks like there’s nothing new under the sun — even the same lame graphics.
:D
Hoss
Perhaps
when folks noses are stuck in pseudo-Mary’s White Hankies 24/7/365
it leaves absolutely no time to cultivate creativity.
The most they can do is flattering imitation with a wimpy perverse twist.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
you correctly quote St Paul in Ephesians say there is only one baptism. then your next sentence starts by asking “which baptism......” By the words “which baptism”, you are indicating there are two or more baptisms, the Bible knows of only one baptism, as you quoted. The sacrament of baptism was commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28, Peter says it is for the remission of sins in Acts 2:38-39, Saul was commanded to wash away his sins by baptism in Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:20-21 says baptism does now save us, Paul explains how in Romans 6:3-4 tells us we are baptized into Christ, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13 tells us the Spirit baptizes us into One Body, Galatians 3:26-27 tells us we put on Christ in baptism and Titus 3:5 tells us we are regenerated by baptism. This was the consistent teaching of the Church for 1,500 years, before some departed from the Faith and taught a different Gospel.
The above dovetails into your second question about Baptists. They don’t believe in baptismal regeneration, they teach there are two baptisms, the first by the Holy Spirit, the second a meaningless ritual done just as a first act of obedience. The Bible doesn’t teach two baptisms and it was unheard of for 1,500 years. The Nicene Creed states “we acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins”, echoing Acts 2. The Church Fathers are unanimous the Apostles taught baptism is for the remission of sins.
You asked for a few false doctrines, so i will add no infant baptism and no belief in the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
The Bible correctly predicted in the latter days, some will depart from the Faith, and sadly, the Baptists have departed from the historical, orthodox Christian Faith.
I've hesitated to note that, however, because I figured that once I did, they'd avoid it and remove a number of our opportunities for laughs from the threads.
I don't know why their efforts at such flattering imitation are always sooooo KLUNKY!
Maybe it's related to the whole super klunky
AUTHORITARIAN STOMP meme
in the whole Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology, Reality Mangling, Chronic Professional Blaming, Wailing and Whining Institute system.
I mean . . . can't you just see this gal in a nun's habit stomping around her Parochial school whacking students with the ruler--harumphing and maybe indignantly yelling in the process?
You can believe what you want about my motive for responding to you, but you cannot KNOW my intent. Since my intent - which I DO know - was not to insult, I have a clear conscience before my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And to reiterate, if the article contains lies as you claim then why not say what is incorrect about it and state your basis for saying so? It really is that simple. The only one being rude and insulting so far in this our exchange has been you. So maybe you need that miracle mirror.
Just getting back to other threads here after the Super Bowl game...
Yes, they do this often. I remember my first taste of the Religious threads and of course had no clue what I was getting myself into ..... It does take quite awhile to understand the territory here and why it is what it is. But i use to get so irritated when they just went round and round and round....but then you discover why that is.
Just a simple question: Why was Jesus Christ baptized?
And here we are approaching 700 posts on this thread and STILL not one Catholic has addressed the topic of the thread.
Nor has one pointed out any specifics as to what lies or slander they claim is in the article so that it can be addressed, or countered with material from other sources.
Perhaps they are afraid that if they get that close to the truth, some of it will rub off on their fingers.
read Matthew 3:14-15 for your answer. John’s baptism was not the same as our Christian Baptism, as Jesus did not die on the cross yet. Once Jesus died and rose again, He commanded a baptism that was for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit.
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