Posted on 02/01/2011 12:52:59 PM PST by RnMomof7
A vial containing blood drawn from Pope John Paul II shortly before he died will be installed as a relic in a Polish church soon after his beatification later this year, an official said Monday. Piotr Sionko, the spokesman for the John Paul II Center, said the vial will be encased in crystal and built into the altar of a church in the southern city of Krakow that is opening in May. The exact date of the opening is not yet known, but it should be shortly after John Paul's beatification at the Vatican on May 1........... "It was the cardinal's proposal," Sionko said. "He is of the opinion that this is the most precious relic of John Paul II and should be the focal point of the church." .........
"The idea of displaying the pope's relics has met with some reservations, even inside the Catholic Church. "The tradition of relics comes from medieval practices of teaching the Bible through images and symbols," said the Rev. Krzysztof Madel, a Jesuit priest in Nowy Sacz who has publicly questioned the usefulness of displaying John Paul's blood. "But in today's rationalized world the message should rather come through teaching about someone's life." After John Paul's death, some Polish officials said they hoped John Paul's heart would be removed from his body and returned to his homeland for burial. However, church officials dismissed any possibility of dismembering the body, saying the age had passed for that practice. Dziwisz said Friday that he has always been against dividing of the body, but that "relics have always existed and will always exist."
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Perhaps this post should be directed at those who daily display their buffoonery misrepresenting the teachings of he Church.
How many of the members of your church have made pilgrimages to or toured the Holy Land? How many have rejoiced in Bethlehem, how many have contemplated His miracles at the Pool of Bethesda, how many prayed at Gethsemane, how many have wept at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, how many have walked in the footsteps of the Apostles? How can any of those not be hypocrites when condemning the Catholic tradition of relics?
It is still going on ping
Here, in this post, you say it's not; that the *church* is the temple of the Holy Spirit so that Paul was wrong.
And yet in post 80, just a few short posts ago, you said that the saints bodies were the temple of the Holy Spirit, agreeing with Paul that time.
Catholics believe that the bodies of the saints as formerly temples of the Holy Ghost are destined hereafter to be eternally glorified. "
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2666924/posts?page=80#80
So, will you make up your mind?
Reading that verse IN CONTEXT, clearly indicates that Paul is talking about the individual believers.
1 Corinthians 6:18-20 18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
Was Paul wrong then?
If what he meant was *the church*, why wasn't *the church* more careful in transcribing the traditions passed down to them and make it clear without having to be reinterpreted for everyone, just like everything else the Catholic church states?
And that sums it up nicely unless you want to call it "Heathen trash".
John 6:61-63 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, "Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
lol. OK. Heathen trash. Scripture-denying, soul-destroying, superstitious, corrupted, perverted heathen trash.
Here, in this post, you say it's not; that the *church* is the temple of the Holy Spirit so that Paul was wrong.
Exactly. Once again Rome insinuates its hierarchy between God and the believer.
YOU ARE MAKING THINGS UP
AND
THOSE THINGS ARE DEFAMATORY.
NOT ONE PERSON OTHER THAN YOU
HAS COMPARED
BLESSED JOHN PAUL THE GREAT’S BLOOD
TO
THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.
Do you believe that people have been cured by relics?
Do you really not understand the difference between going on vacation and thinking that relics have some mystical power?
John the ark of the Lord was a type of Christ.. Most of your proof texting has nothing to do with the topic..
No where do the scriptures indicate that we are to venerate the relics of men ..
There is only one Blood that heals and saves and that is the Blood of Christ
You need to slow down and do a little critical reading and reflecting on that passage in the context of the Synoptic Gospels (I suppose had you that ability you would still be a Catholic). I did not say that Paul was wrong, I expanded upon the teaching in the context of the entire teaching of Christ regarding the Holy Spirit. Paul was preaching of individual responsibilities to the collective body of the Church and that individual actions can cause harm to that body. Using "sound-bite" theology to Scripturally support Protestantism only reinforces the value of the Magisterium.
Luke 22: 14-20
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”
Mark 14: 22-25
22 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.”
23 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it.
24 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. 25 “Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Matthew 26:26-29
26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Please note Jesus NEVER said that this wine is my blood.. He said the cup was the cup of the NEW COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD.. His blood sealed the covenant..
Then he went back and said He would not drink from this cup of the fruit of the vine until He came again...
One more time..He NEVER said the wine was His blood..but that rather His blood sealed the NT
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You read what you want to read, not what is actually there...
I would have thought you could not be so ignorant to not know the answer to your question. Nor so ignorant to think that the freeper Salvation - so prolific on religion threads - would give an answer that was offensive to God. You hate a cartoon of the Church that those who hate her have drawn for you.
The relics inspire greater faith in Christ.
And that greater faith in Christ opens one up to the miracle.
Except there are too many of us that really do know what the RC believe and teach.. huh??
How many of the members of your church have made pilgrimages to or toured the Holy Land? How many have rejoiced in Bethlehem, how many have contemplated His miracles at the Pool of Bethesda, how many prayed at Gethsemane, how many have wept at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, how many have walked in the footsteps of the Apostles? How can any of those not be hypocrites when condemning the Catholic tradition of relics?
Apples and oranges my friend
New International Version (©1984)
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
New Living Translation (©2007)
for this is my blood, which confirms the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out as a sacrifice to forgive the sins of many.
English Standard Version (©2001)
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
International Standard Version (©2008)
because this is my blood of the new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the forgiveness of sins.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
This is my blood, the blood of the promise. It is poured out for many people so that sins are forgiven.
King James Bible
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
American King James Version
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
American Standard Version
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many unto remission of sins.
Bible in Basic English
Take of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the testament, which is given for men for the forgiveness of sins.
Douay-Rheims Bible
For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.
Darby Bible Translation
For this is my blood, that of the new covenant, that shed for many for remission of sins.
English Revised Version
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is shed for many unto remission of sins.
Webster's Bible Translation
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sin.
Weymouth New Testament
for this is my blood which is to be poured out for many for the remission of sins--the blood which ratifies the Covenant.
World English Bible
for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.
Young's Literal Translation
for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;
I most certainly do, do you? Perhaps it is the abundance of verifiable miracles associated with the Catholic relics and the dearth of verifiable miracles within Protestantism that causes you to doubt. After all it is easier for you to doubt the relics and miracles than YOPIS.
New International Version (©1984)
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
New Living Translation (©2007)
for this is my blood, which confirms the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out as a sacrifice to forgive the sins of many.
English Standard Version (©2001)
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
International Standard Version (©2008)
because this is my blood of the new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the forgiveness of sins.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
This is my blood, the blood of the promise. It is poured out for many people so that sins are forgiven.
King James Bible
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
American King James Version
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
American Standard Version
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many unto remission of sins.
Bible in Basic English
Take of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the testament, which is given for men for the forgiveness of sins.
Douay-Rheims Bible
For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.
Darby Bible Translation
For this is my blood, that of the new covenant, that shed for many for remission of sins.
English Revised Version
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is shed for many unto remission of sins.
Webster's Bible Translation
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sin.
Weymouth New Testament
for this is my blood which is to be poured out for many for the remission of sins--the blood which ratifies the Covenant.
World English Bible
for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.
Young's Literal Translation
for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;
A fetish by any other name.....
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