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To: Cronos

Both radical charismatics(Pentacostals)and Roman Catholics do not accept the sufficiency of scripture, and look for revelation from God outside of it—one in supernatural experience, the other in a supernatural human institution...

Neither is satisfied with God as He has certainly revealed Himself in His Word, and have that in common contra classical magisterial Protestants.

Liberal Protestants also look for “revelation” from God outside of scripture, primarily in their own arrogant speculations and imagination...


3,383 posted on 02/12/2011 4:11:02 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
But, look here, Analog sola scriptura folks say they hold to scripture alone, Yet they hold on to things like
  1. the Rapture
  2. "Accept Jesus as your personal Savior" --> this bears more time. This is never taught from scripture, yet parroted by many. While the Bible says that (Matt. 1:21 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins, Acts 4:12 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.) Jesus is the savior, but nowhere can one make the fallacious derivation -- where is it per sola scriptura?
  3. In fact the Bible says
    Matthew 28.20
    20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
    Revelation 2.10
    10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
    1 Corinthians 15:58
    58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
    1 Corinthians 15.1-4
    1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


    Why do they hold on to these non-biblical beliefs?

3,385 posted on 02/13/2011 12:11:23 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: AnalogReigns
Analog, the problem is, also that sola scriptura is not sufficient -- it leads to the number of sola views as below
  1. does sola scriptura say one should believe in something as basic as Jesus was always God (Trinitarian position) or that Jesus Christ was man made God (Oneness PENTECOSTAL Protestant position) or the Angel Michael (Seventh Day Adventist Ellen G White teaching)
  2. Does sola scriptura say that there is the REAL Presence of Christ in the Eucharist (Lutheran, some Anglicans, maybe even Methodists), or is it just a symbol (Calvinists)
  3. Does sola scriptura say that one MUST talk in tongues (Oneness Pentecostal) to display faith or not?
  4. Does sola scriptura say that there should be an episcopate (Lutheran, Anglican) or not (Presbyterians)?
  5. Does sola scriptura say that apostolic succession is important (Anglican) or not (others)?
  6. Does sola scriptura say that Baptism is for infants and sufficient (Presbyterian etc.) or not (Baptists)?
  7. Does sola scriptura say that God pre-damns people to hell (Calvinism) or not (others)?
  8. Does sola scriptura say that vestements are ok (or in the silly words of one poster allowing men in dresses and silly hats) (Anglicans, Lutherans, some Methodists, Presbyterians, even Baptists and Pentecostals) or not?
  9. Does sola scriptura say that Jesus came only for the salvation of a few (Calvinists) or he was Savior of the world (everyone else)?
  10. Does sola scriptura agree or disagree with soul sleep? (Calvin: "As long as (the soul) is in the body it exerts its own powers; but when it quits this prison-house it returns to God, whose presence, it meanwhile enjoys while it rests in the hope of a blessed Resurrection. This rest is its paradise. On the other hand, the spirit of the reprobate, while it waits for the dreadful judgment, is tortured by that anticipation. . .", Psychopannychia,
  11. Does sola scriptura agree or disagree with worshipping on a Sunday (Presbyterians, Pentecostals etc.) or not (Seventh Day Adventists)
  12. Does sola scriptura agree with the Adventists that one should follow kosher laws or not?
  13. Does sola scriptura believe that we still have spiritual gifts like prophecy amongst us (Pentecostals) or not (Presbyterians)
  14. Does sola scriptura agree with being "slain in the spirit" (Pentecostalism) or not (Presbyterianism, Lutheranism etc)
  15. Does sola scriptura say that Regeneration comes through Baptism (Lutheranism) or not (Baptists)
  16. Does sola scriptura say that grace can be resisted (Pentecostalism, Lutheranism, Methodism) or not (Calvinism)
  17. Does sola scriptura say that baptism is three-fold (Mennonites) or not?
  18. Does sola scriptura say that there is no free will (Calvinism) or that man has free will (Mennonites)
  19. Does sola scriptura say that it is faith + works (Mennonites: Menno Simons told the followers of Luther and Calvin: “If you wish to be saved, you must walk in the way of the Lord, hear His Word, and obey it. For nothing avails in heaven nor on earth unto salvation, … not even Christ with His grace, merit, blood, and death, if we are not born of God, … if we do not believe His Word sincerely, and if we do not walk in the light and do right. As John says: …>If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie.’” (Complete Writings of Menno Simons, p. 208)) or not?
  20. Does sola scriptura say that there is imputed righteousness (Calvinism) or not (Mennonites)

3,386 posted on 02/13/2011 12:22:03 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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