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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

I didn’t mean to stump you with that question about Jesus’ wheat and darnel illustration. Go ahead and takes whatever amount of time you need and then get back to me. Until then...it was to the seventy disciple sent out that Jesus said what records at Luke 10:16.


921 posted on 01/18/2011 7:22:05 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: MarkBsnr

John 1:11-13 “He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.”

Romans 8:14-15 “For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” “

Galations 3:26-27 “So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”

I John 3:2 “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.”


922 posted on 01/18/2011 7:23:18 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums

i agree with much of what you had to say. The main point is it is the Holy Spirit that protects the Church from teaching error, not man! But the Holy Spirit will not lead someone to believe a different doctrine in the 16th century than the 1st! The Church was given the authority of Jesus to teach in Matthew 28. sola scriptura was not practiced in the Apostolic era and should not be now. The NT example is for the Church to teach, not for everyone to read the Scriptures and come to their own conclusions on the Trinity, baptism, the Eucharist, apostolic succession, sola fide, once save always saved, predestination, the Mass, infant baptism, etc. etc. sola scriptura has led to so much confusion in doctrine, that now we are told doctrine doesn’t really matter, who can know the truth, etc. the cults eat this thinking up!! the churches you mention were local churches, all holding the Catholic Faith received from the Apostles. You can read about this Church in the early Church Fathers, what they taught, how they worshipped. By the grace of God and the protection of the Holy Spirit, you will find that Church is still here 20 centuries later. That is not due to men, but Jesus! you may not think of yourself as your own “pope”, but when it comes to doctrine, you follow what you believe to be true, rather than being taught by the Church. there is no record of anyone doing this in the NT. let me ask you, what power on earth has the authority to absolutely declare what books belong in the Bible and which don’t? anyone? or are we all supposed to decide the canon on our own? you may not like it or accept it, but Jesus decided to use “men” ( we call them the Apostles ) and they have successors, sorry they are “men” too!


923 posted on 01/18/2011 7:24:05 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: metmom
What I believe can be found in Scripture. That’s the only point of authority I will ever appeal to.

AMEN!! Well said, metmom. IMO, you spoke for The Body of Christ.
924 posted on 01/18/2011 7:25:03 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; count-your-change

Any non-Catholic who accepts Scripture as God’s Word, does so in spite of Catholic teaching, not because of it, just like with everything else.

The Catholic church gets things right once in a while. And just like a blind squirrel finding a nut now and then, it’s sheer coincidence.


925 posted on 01/18/2011 7:26:44 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: presently no screen name

i love when you quote the Catholic Scriptures.


926 posted on 01/18/2011 7:27:14 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: presently no screen name

INDEED.

The thumb pad has been OK for 3-4 days or so without a bandage. Still quite sensitive but workable.

The nurse at church has been checking the wounds Sundays and Wed nights.

The middle finger has been without a bandage for a day or so. I keep bonking it—no thrill but it’s doing OK with a thick scab of dried blood and a bit of paper tape on top of that. More amzaingly, I’m mostly avoiding picking at it. Praise God for that!

Some folks at the college have gotten infected from very minor stuff and ended up in INTENSIVE CARE! WOW.

THANKS TONS FOR YOUR PRAYERS AND CARING.


927 posted on 01/18/2011 7:28:02 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: editor-surveyor

why did Saul need to wash away his sins in Acts 22:16?


928 posted on 01/18/2011 7:30:06 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: count-your-change

didn’t stump me, you aren’t making sense for me to respond to. you want to try again?


929 posted on 01/18/2011 7:31:39 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: metmom; presently no screen name
The RC church does indeed nullify God's word with its tradition, just like the Pharisees did.

Not only that, even more damning is they preach a different gospel. They don't believe in the sufficiency of the Cross all kinds of "buts", "ands", "ifs", and "maybes" are added to it.

They stand on the wrong side of the Cross.

930 posted on 01/18/2011 7:35:23 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: metmom

Any non-Catholic who has the Word of God, only has it because the Church compiled the books and monks and other scribes faithfully copied them by hand for 16 centuries. Aren’t you glad God used pagan idolaters that way?


931 posted on 01/18/2011 7:36:18 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Quix

Yes Mom... :o)


932 posted on 01/18/2011 7:36:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: metmom
Getting back to the topic of the thread, there is a body of thought that one of the explanations offered for the disappearance of the millions taken, is UFO abduction.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. Those are (some of) the people whose teaching I trust not a whit. "I don't know why the Book of Enoch isn't canon", I heard one of them say.

933 posted on 01/18/2011 7:37:18 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("They wouldn't know a Christological heresey if it beat them up and stole their wallet.")
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To: wmfights

do you deny the Trinity as well?


934 posted on 01/18/2011 7:38:16 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Quix
Many of us have a DECREASING MOTIVATION to try and teach pigs to sing or fly.

Or format html.

935 posted on 01/18/2011 7:40:19 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Take, drink. Remember and believe that the blood of Jesus was shed for a complete remission ...")
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; editor-surveyor; presently no screen name; boatbums; ...
e-s: Every time baptism is mentioned, belief comes first, with the acceptance of Christ as Lord of all, then comes baptism.

olofob: why did Saul need to wash away his sins in Acts 22:16?

Why are you changing the subject? Why not actually address what was said?

This isn't the first time you've done that. Several of us have been on the receiving end of that strategy.

936 posted on 01/18/2011 7:40:29 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wmfights

if Romans 10:9 is true, isn’t anyone who believes the Nicene Creed to be true, saved? what say you?


937 posted on 01/18/2011 7:41:24 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Mea culpa! I just don’t have the ability to make it any more simple.


938 posted on 01/18/2011 7:42:07 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
You're not worth my time.
939 posted on 01/18/2011 7:42:38 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: metmom

read the verse, where does it say Saul accepted Christ as Lord?


940 posted on 01/18/2011 7:43:23 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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