Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54
Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.
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care to elaborate?
Matthew 28:18-20.
How ironic that those who argue on this thread that a "taking up" (Rapture) will be experienced by all believers are the very ones who argue against this very thing having taken place for the Mother of Jesus whom they concede produced virgin birth.
St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (A.D. 451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened, upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven.
correct, John 6:44. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father thru Jesus to draw men to Christ, without the Holy Spirit, no one can be saved.
An infant cannot be baptised because he is not aware.
Baptism is the acknowledgement of salvation; how can an infant acknowledge something of which he is not yet aware?
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it is also ironic that Catholics get attacked for constructing elaborate shrines at the graves of Apostles and Saints and of “worshipping” relics, but no where can you find the grave of Mary or relics of her body.
EXCELLENT.
Stand by for weasel words, rationalizations; slipping and sliding.
>> “without the Holy Spirit, no one can be saved.” <<
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Gibberish!
Salvation happened at the cross, once for all; it is finished. It is the Father that calls those that he gave the Son to the knowledge of their salvation. (John 6)
Been laughed at all my life.
Help yourself.
You have “only” God Almighty to be accountable to.
salvation is all of grace, your “awareness” adds nothing to it. thank you for your response, i’ll put you down in the baptist column and opposing Luther and Calvin ( both of whom thought they understood the Bible ) you do realize no one in Christendom believed what you said before the 16th century? you believe the Body of Christ, under the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit, didn’t understand baptism for 1,500 years?
IF YOUR BIBLE HAS an UN-rubberized version of THESALONIANS.
The atonement for sin happened at the cross, the application of grace to individual souls flowing from this Sacrifice is the work of the Holy Spirit.
>> “salvation is all of grace, your “awareness” adds nothing to it.” <<
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Neither does baptism. Baptism is nothing but the obedient acknowledgement of the Lord’s sacrifice that saved us.
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>> “ the application of grace to individual souls flowing from this Sacrifice is the work of the Holy Spirit.” <<
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Scripture please. - We receive the Holy Spirit AFTER we acknowledge the Lord. The Father calls us, not the Holy Spirit.
St Paul had a different teaching given to him in Acts 22:16, and St Peter seems to disagree with you as well in 1 Peter 3:21.
You are following a tradition of men first taught in the 16th century, as opposed to the historical, biblical, orthodox and apostolic teaching for 2,000 years.
>> “St Paul had a different teaching given to him in Acts 22:16, and St Peter seems to disagree with you as well in 1 Peter 3:21.” <<
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Nonsense; your imagination seems to have taken hold. Post the specific words when you make a false accusation against the apostles.
So Sola Scripture requires problem solving and forensic skills?
i can give you many, but the hour is late, so i will give you John 3:5 “....unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he can’t enter the Kingdom of God”
again, you were taught heretical doctrines no one believed thru the first 1,500 years of the Christian era.
No, it requires reading skills only. Gods word is a plain language document that needs no assistance from man, other than hearing it as commanded.
I'm sure you have Scriptural support for that, right?
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