The Not So Secret Rapture

reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

[topcat54]

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

[1000 silverlings]

You prove to be an Alinsky-type Leftist when you smear the opponent rather than dealing with the argument. I certainly dont respect that, nor do I suppose anyone else does. I can imagine the bally hoo that would erupt if one of us insinuated that a Catholic “may have stolen” something

[Quix]

Yeah, welllll . . .

it's just that most of us have

ALWAYS

taken obvious abject fury and expressed fierce disgust

TO BE MAJOR SIGNS

of a LACK of caring!

Now what was it that gal said to Peter in the courtyard by the fire?

.

[Quix]

Wouldn’t that depend on how MANY cubic miles of water were in the bulge?

Purportedly the difference in the standard sea level at Corwall England can vary by as much as 450 feet.

That’s a LOT of water!

[Quix]

Now now . . .

we should consider the source

(graciously) . . . regardless of returned favors, or not!

LOL.

[Quix]

MORE

IMproperly! LOL.

[Judith Anne]

You prove to be an Alinsky-type Leftist

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Alinsky type leftist, when I COPY YOUR TACTICS????

Whatever. Call me any names you like. Quix does it, in an "alisky-type leftist way" after all. I suppose none of you like it when the very same tactics YOU (plural)USE are turned back on you (plural).

[Quix]

The usual Rabid Clique sorts of RC’s hereon don’t

BELIEVE GOD’S WORD!

how would my humble words stand a chance? LOL.

[Quix]

NO biggy. I just took it as a sign of the degree of pique and desperate need to personally assault in revenge.

Sad, that.

This could be more fun without such seeming death grips on such outraged emotionalities.

[Judith Anne]

it's just that most of us have

ALWAYS

TO BE MAJOR SIGNS

Great! Now you (plural) understand why I never ever believe any of you (plural) would be convicted of being Christian, if it were a crime. You (plural) show no evidence of obeying either the first or second great commandment.

[CynicalBear]

I’ve read it. I’ve also read other views like this: http://www.raptureready.com/who/Dave_MacPherson.html

[CynicalBear]

I’ve read it. I’ve also read other views like this: http://www.raptureready.com/who/Dave_MacPherson.html

[1000 silverlings]

please list my tactics that you have copied

[Quix]

I can imagine the bally hoo that would erupt if one of us insinuated that a Catholic “may have stolen” something

INDEED TO THE MAX!

They'd be wailing about it for the next 2-5 years.

I think it is related to their devotion to the following icons at the following stations of

The Stations Of The White Hanky:

1. ICON TO BEARING FALSE WITNESS
2. BLACK/WHITE ICON OF DUPLICITY, DOUBLE STANDARD DANCE

3. THE ICON TO THE DOCTRINE OF--WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS--KILL THE MESSENGER.

4. ICON TO CHRONICALLY CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

5. ICON OF OBFUSCATIONS TO THE SUPREME DEGREE

8. ICON OF THE RUBBER DAFFYNITIONARY

9. ICON OF THE RUBBER LOGIC TEXT

10. ICON OF HUBRIS TO THE SUPREME DEGREE

11. GROPING FOR ANY EXPLANATION BUT THE TRUTH

12. ICON TO THE HOLY FLIP-FLOPS IN WORD MEANINGS AND ARGUMENTS

14. ICON TO THE FANTASIZED DIVINE RIGHT, TO BE CORRECT, PRISTINELY SANCTIFIED & PERFECTLY FLAWLESS IN ALL RESPECTS IN ALL CASES ALL THE TIME, REGARDLESS.

15. ICON TO CHRONIC & OBSESSIVE INCONSISTENCY.

17. ICON TO THE UNDIVINE RIGHT OF TERMINAL SNOOTINESS TO THE MAX.

18. ICON OF THE SLIPPERY GOLDEN DANCE SHOES FOR DANCING THE RATIONALIZING-WEASEL-WORD-JITTER-BUG.

. Ahhhhhhhhhhh well . . . most of us need our past-times . . . particularly when the wine runs low.

[Quix]

Time and The Lord will tell.

Perspective is an important aspect.

So are heart attitudes.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

So basically Dave MacPherson is a certifiable loon and has zero credibility.

[MarkBsnr]

I'd advise you to take your ...

Mark, take your control issues elsewhere.

Control issues? Shall we replay the original post?

Hey, newbie watch yourself!

With your anti Christian prattlings attacking the Church of Jesus Christ, I'd advise you to take your own advice.

I'm not the one with control issues. I merely comment on the prattlings of uninformed navel gazers who discover each day a brand new bit of fluff that they cry to the world is a novel and innovative aspect of Christianity. If I'm the one with control issues, then why do we have your post instructing another FReeper to watch himself?

[Natural Law]

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[MarkBsnr]

Or a failed one."

Lets call a spade a spade. I prefer the term "Excommunicated Catholic" for those who have left and now rail, a jure, against the Church.

Fair enough. I still think of them as failed Catholics, since they failed to grasp the Faith.

Apostates from the faith, a heretics, and schismatics have, by their own actions, severed Communion with the saints.

Self-excommunicated, then...

[MarkBsnr]

Don't be surprised. Quix always does that, either that or some colorful html explosion that lacks any rational basis or any reason, just calls names, or claims "RCCs" whine, or some junk like that. Most people are immune to him, because the posts are content free.

Actually, I am fascinated by Quix's hanky theology. I find that the Pentecostals are deep in hankies. I had no idea before. Once you get past the snakes, there is no end of trinkets that Pentecostals consider sacred.

[CynicalBear]

>> So basically Dave MacPherson is a certifiable loon and has zero credibility.<<

It would seem more vindictive agenda driven then a search for truth much as I see in many of those against prophecy teaching.