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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: MarkBsnr

No doubt the Protestant/Evangelical churches in general have not been as outspoken against abortion as they ought.

The church we attend had a very moving pro-life presentation this past Sunday. Very no holds barred.


1,761 posted on 01/25/2011 4:36:29 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Alleged Catholic priests support pro-abortion, pro-homosexual groups

Yes, we have the named Fr. Larry Dowling. The article mentions nobody else by name. I suspect that Fr. Pfleger is in there, though. We have our loony heretics, correct; they are being weeded out. Or, like Fr. Cutie, assisted to leave.

1,762 posted on 01/25/2011 4:40:33 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
Just from the position of the various religious organizations, it may be more easy to see who would be staffing Planned Parenthood than one might assume.

Perhaps, but neither does it demonstrate that NO Catholics staff them.

What it gets down to is that there is no way anyone can make that claim as they can't substantiate it.

As far as I would go is that it's inconceivable that any true Christian, whatever the denomination, could work at one. If they claimed to be Christian and did, I would certainly have legitimate reason to question the validity of the claim.

1,763 posted on 01/25/2011 4:40:53 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
It seems that the Catholic church is not capable of putting a stop to Dr. Grossman's evil audacity. The reason, according to local activists, is that the hospital and the church fear federal employement discrimination lawsuits. There is, however, a valid basis to believe that this Catholic hospital would be within its right to fire a murderer such as Dr. Grossman, although it is more likely that the church would lose a lawsuit from Dr. Grossman.

I agree that the bishop should take far greater action and while it is not implicit in Dr. Grossman's activites (since unfortunately he is engaged in completely legal activities), it is guilty of being timid and needs to stand up far more strongly.

1,764 posted on 01/25/2011 4:44:14 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Alamo-Girl
As for me, I simply love God, believe Him and trust Him.

That is a great part of Christianity.

Therefore, I don't sweat the details.

The Church sweated for three centuries to come up with a definitive Creed and definition of the Trinity, remember?

1,765 posted on 01/25/2011 4:45:34 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: HossB86
Actually, why don’t you?

I think that the swing in voting, now that the Protestants are virtually eliminated from the Supreme Court is rather well publicized. Catholics and Jews being appointed by Protestant presidents. I think that that is very telling.

1,766 posted on 01/25/2011 4:48:43 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr

They can certainly invoke the First Amendment.

If the doctor knew the church’s stand against abortion when he took the position, it weakens his case against them.

Likewise the fact that he can no doubt find employment elsewhere as a doctor. It’s not like the market is saturated. The AMA sees to that.


1,767 posted on 01/25/2011 4:52:05 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; HossB86
I think that the swing in voting, now that the Protestants are virtually eliminated from the Supreme Court is rather well publicized. Catholics and Jews being appointed by Protestant presidents. I think that that is very telling.

You don't suppose the senate castigating every Protestant candidate the Protestant president proposed might have anything to do with it, do you?

1,768 posted on 01/25/2011 4:55:54 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: daniel1212
Your 1st charge to me, which was response to one by metmom, and who does not represent the faith which would staff PP, was a broad one (”you guys”, which you then restricted to clergy. However, while it is certain a few examples of clergy may be found, that would not substantiate the charge of “you guys” in any meaningful way. And for your charge to be pertinent, it should be evidence of the manner of faith supported by those who oppose you here. The liberal churches are manifestly far from historical Protestant faith, in both their position on the Bible and thus their moral values.

That may be, but look at the counterposts to me including your own which consist of not Church beliefs, but individual Catholics acting outside of the Church. I posted this to metmom a few minutes ago: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2657209/posts?page=1759#1759

However, you now demand actual examples of priest sanctioning abortion, but which is not necessary to establish that Rome fosters much the opposite of what she officially says. It is also an unreasonable demand of proof, as to assist in getting abortion means the priests job, as a nun found one. Moreover, one need not actually assist in a crime to be culpable of it, and by not actively opposing a sin one can be complicit in it.

Demand? Are we being a tad dramatic? With well over a billion people in the world, will there not be those who wander away? Look at the heroes of the Reformation? Failed Catholics all. Look at all the heresies of the first millennium. Almost all failed Catholics. Even the great Origen failed. Augustine failed, but returned.

We have great examples of individuals who fail. Admittedly. But the Church continues to be the world leader in the championing of life at all stages, where others fail. It took me a long time to come over to the Church's belief on capital punishment. I too, acted and believed outside some of Church teaching. However, I will defer to the successor of Peter in terms of Christian theology. I will not defer to another hanky peddler in a tent regardless of whether he is accompanied by snakes or not.

1,769 posted on 01/25/2011 4:57:44 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Quix
Perhaps if they'd included buying all the plastic idols, the RC's would have faired better.

I have it on good authority that white Pentecostal prayer hankies were counted in the take, so the numbers may be a tad inflated.

1,770 posted on 01/25/2011 4:59:26 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
As far as I would go is that it's inconceivable that any true Christian, whatever the denomination, could work at one. If they claimed to be Christian and did, I would certainly have legitimate reason to question the validity of the claim.

This is definitely one rotten fruit by which you may know them.

1,771 posted on 01/25/2011 5:01:09 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
If the doctor knew the church’s stand against abortion when he took the position, it weakens his case against them.

Yeah, but getting a doctor fired if he only engages in legal practices and does not dip into the Medicaid till or rape patients with the AMA running the show is really difficult. I'm not excusing the bishop - I certainly give my own a certain amount of grief for not acting Catholic enough (heh heh heh), but I can see where they might be a bit timid.

1,772 posted on 01/25/2011 5:04:10 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
You don't suppose the senate castigating every Protestant candidate the Protestant president proposed might have anything to do with it, do you?

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Religious_Affiliation_in_the_United_States_Senate says that for the 111th Congress, the makeup of the Senate is:

Catholic: 26; Presbyterian 13; Jewish 13; Methodist 10; Baptist 7; LDS 5; Lutheran 2; UU 1; other Protestants the remainder. So, we have 61 Protestant Senators. Why would they castigate their own? They didn't in the 1800s and 1900s.

1,773 posted on 01/25/2011 5:12:45 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
No doubt the Protestant/Evangelical churches in general have not been as outspoken against abortion as they ought.
1,774 posted on 01/25/2011 5:14:42 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
Perhaps, but neither does it demonstrate that NO Catholics staff them.

They are so few and far between that the hysterical antiCatholic press in the US hasn't been able to unearth them. Every time something can be used to put down the Church, the MSM grabs it up and puts it to use.

1,775 posted on 01/25/2011 5:16:26 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
No doubt the Protestant/Evangelical churches in general have not been as outspoken against abortion as they ought.

They've been openly celebrating their changing ways.

1,776 posted on 01/25/2011 5:17:49 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: presently no screen name
Jesus is The Word - those who deny JESUS/The Word, as the Final Authority, are not Christian.

And that is any part of His teaching. From the beginning of Matthew to the end of John. If that is not the pinnacle of your own belief, how can you call yourself Christian?

Heretical beliefs - man made teachings. "Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

Beginning with Gnosticism and Judaizing. And continuing to this day for many.

1,777 posted on 01/25/2011 6:11:36 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
I KNOW who I am 'in Christ'. I am blessed and walk in His blessings daily.

John 10:27 "My sheep listen to my voice; I KNOW them, and they follow Me."

He didn't say follow man or man made teachings. Who is HE? He, JESUS, is THE WORD!

It's ALL about JESUS!

1,778 posted on 01/25/2011 8:25:18 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: MarkBsnr
Thank you for your reply, dear brother in Christ!

Christians weren't in suspended animation waiting for religious leaders to develop creeds and such.

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. - I John 2:27

After all,

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. - John 15:4-5

God's Name is I AM.

1,779 posted on 01/25/2011 8:49:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MarkBsnr

The issue, if i recall, was what typified a church or type of churches, and with Rome that was shown to be overall liberalism by those she counts as members. While officially it is mostly conservative, what it overall effectually fosters or tolerates is another thing.

I am glad you are prolife, but would like to ask you if you agree with the RC position on the infallibility of Scripture and interpretive method? Such as expressed in Providentissimus Deus?


1,780 posted on 01/25/2011 11:26:13 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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