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To: daniel1212
Your 1st charge to me, which was response to one by metmom, and who does not represent the faith which would staff PP, was a broad one (”you guys”, which you then restricted to clergy. However, while it is certain a few examples of clergy may be found, that would not substantiate the charge of “you guys” in any meaningful way. And for your charge to be pertinent, it should be evidence of the manner of faith supported by those who oppose you here. The liberal churches are manifestly far from historical Protestant faith, in both their position on the Bible and thus their moral values.

That may be, but look at the counterposts to me including your own which consist of not Church beliefs, but individual Catholics acting outside of the Church. I posted this to metmom a few minutes ago: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2657209/posts?page=1759#1759

However, you now demand actual examples of priest sanctioning abortion, but which is not necessary to establish that Rome fosters much the opposite of what she officially says. It is also an unreasonable demand of proof, as to assist in getting abortion means the priests job, as a nun found one. Moreover, one need not actually assist in a crime to be culpable of it, and by not actively opposing a sin one can be complicit in it.

Demand? Are we being a tad dramatic? With well over a billion people in the world, will there not be those who wander away? Look at the heroes of the Reformation? Failed Catholics all. Look at all the heresies of the first millennium. Almost all failed Catholics. Even the great Origen failed. Augustine failed, but returned.

We have great examples of individuals who fail. Admittedly. But the Church continues to be the world leader in the championing of life at all stages, where others fail. It took me a long time to come over to the Church's belief on capital punishment. I too, acted and believed outside some of Church teaching. However, I will defer to the successor of Peter in terms of Christian theology. I will not defer to another hanky peddler in a tent regardless of whether he is accompanied by snakes or not.

1,769 posted on 01/25/2011 4:57:44 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr

The issue, if i recall, was what typified a church or type of churches, and with Rome that was shown to be overall liberalism by those she counts as members. While officially it is mostly conservative, what it overall effectually fosters or tolerates is another thing.

I am glad you are prolife, but would like to ask you if you agree with the RC position on the infallibility of Scripture and interpretive method? Such as expressed in Providentissimus Deus?


1,780 posted on 01/25/2011 11:26:13 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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