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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: daniel1212

It’s hard to believe some of those questions were even asked. But more surprised at the answers of these two - should be 100%. However, not too hard to understand how the ‘wide road’ plays out.

73% (highest) of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly affirm that Christ was sinless on earth, with Catholics, Lutherans and Methodists being tied at 33%, and the lowest being among Episcopalians with just 28%

81% of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly agree that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches , followed by 77% of Assemblies of God believers, and ending with 26% of Catholics and 22% of Episcopalians.

Excellent work, daniel1212. Thanks.


1,681 posted on 01/21/2011 6:14:37 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
The Notre Dame fiasco was an embarrassment to the priest that allowed it...since he saw fit to cover anything related to Christ, he must have been ashamed. He will stand judgment for that, not others that were not a part of his fiasco. The blame belongs to the idiot that covered everything. There is no blanket judgment of all catholics in that, everyone was ticked off..
1,682 posted on 01/21/2011 6:17:05 PM PST by goat granny
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To: daniel1212; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
81% of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly agree that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches , followed by 77% of Assemblies of God believers, . . . .

IT IS encouraging to see yet again how lofty a position the Pentecostals put GOD'S WORD IN. I'd have hoped for a higher percentage but the top percentage will do.

Clearly GOD has put HIS WORD in the top slot--heaven and earth will pass away before the slightest particle of His Word will EVER FAIL. That includes HIS EVERLASTING PROMISES TO THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.

1,683 posted on 01/21/2011 6:17:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: HossB86
I think her point wasn’t about abortion clinic staffers... she was talking about the Kennedy’s, Schumer’s, Pelosi’s, etc.

While we shamefully acknowledge these sinners, my point was not about them.

If those folks didn’t support it so vehemently, it would easier to treat it for what it is...murder. But oddly, many Roman Catholic senators and representatives go against their “church” (much less faith) to support this travesty.

Oddly, as well, the Catholic Supreme Justices do not, as compared to their Protestant brethren. Compare the voting record of the current five Catholics (including the liberal one) to the record of Protestants on the bench over the last 100 years.

They are Roman Catholic, are they not? The Roman Catholic Church has not excommunicated them, has it? I ask sincerely, because I don’t know. But if it hasn’t... then why are they still communicants?

It kinda goes like this: excommunication is a formalized institutional and reluctant recognition of a person's outright declared nonChristianity. But the Church, unlike so many here vehemently claim, does not Judge anyone. If they don't demand it, they are not excommunicated. The Church understands that God Judges all. He will deal with them; those who determinedly sin and fly under the radar will still be dealt with appropriately by God.

Had we less of this, there would be no abortion clinic staffers to quibble over.

Certainly. The genocide going on in this country is absolutely heart breaking.

1,684 posted on 01/21/2011 6:18:51 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: goat granny

What went on during her life with Joseph is none of my concern..


It is evidently of great concern to a lot of RC’s.

The issue for me is that such superstitions are brazenly against Scripture which clearly speaks of Jesus’ blood brothers and sisters.

Trying to weasel out with the brazenly false appeal to “cousins” is nonsense.

My pontificating about my posting style is here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2347476/posts

I’m extremely expressive and fairly naturally above average emotional in my way of being in the world. A student asked the 2nd class if I had RED BULL in my veins. I’m a fairly intense person in a lot of respects just breathing calmly.

Yet, rarely does my blood pressure, heart rate or breathing rate increase while posting.

Anyway—thanks for your calm and kind replies.


1,685 posted on 01/21/2011 6:23:14 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: goat granny
When I think of Notre Dame the old priest on the ground comes to mind.

The blame belongs to the idiot that covered everything.

Are you referring to Georgetown U covering up Jesus (IHS) at the request of the WH?
1,686 posted on 01/21/2011 6:23:49 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

What was the Notre Dame thing? I don’t recall.


1,687 posted on 01/21/2011 6:25:38 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Barry was invited to give the commencement address there. Remember Alan Keyes and many others were jailed because they held a quiet protest at the time?


1,688 posted on 01/21/2011 6:28:30 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: MarkBsnr
I didn't claim those words as antiChristian. Why are you saying this?

Because of your post #1662.

Anyone looking for a pound of flesh, again?......A lessening of support for antiChristian postings would suffice.

1,689 posted on 01/21/2011 6:37:00 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
88% of Catholics believe that they can practice artificial means of birth control and still be considered good Catholics.

And yet, some RC's probably are still incredulous about how I could POSSIBLY IMAGINE TO CALL the institution

The Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology And Reality Mangling!

HEY!
YE OF NEGLIGIBLE
PERSONAL
AND
ORGANIZATIONAL INSIGHT!

Go to Sam's Club and buy several cases of artificial insight--it MIGHT help!

WHEN 88% of those self labeled as Roman Catholic do

NOT BELIEVE
A KEY CARDINAL EXCLUSIVIST DISTINCTIVE


IT DOES
NOT MATTER
WHAT
THE CATACHISM SAYS!


THE FOLKS IN THE PEWS
AIN'T BUYIN' IT!

And, I don't think Nuns and Priests harranguing more dreadful hours with whacking rulers and long fingers is going to solve the problem by a long shot.

And convoluted rationalizations about farcical fantasies; !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! OF MEN and superstitions rooted in paganism are NOT going to help either.

TRASHING THE HOGWASH would be a good place to start.

RETURNING TO THE UNADULTERATED WORD OF GOD AND THAT ONLY

As the ONLY authority for the institution would be a great start.

I realize that hell will likely freeze over first.

1,690 posted on 01/21/2011 6:39:30 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: presently no screen name

Ahhhh And wasn’t some Christian symbol covered up?

Hideous.


1,691 posted on 01/21/2011 6:42:06 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Judith Anne
What are those people going to say when they stand before God?

We did as you asked of us, we told them the truth....they wouldn't listen..... And then we'll cry for those not there.

1,692 posted on 01/21/2011 6:44:46 PM PST by caww
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To: HossB86
they just staff Washington offices. And they support abortion.

Heck, they LEGALIZED abortion.

1,693 posted on 01/21/2011 6:47:25 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; HossB86
I asked for Catholic staffers of Planned Parenthood or Catholics who provide abortions. I haven't found any yet.

And yet, while you claim that *you guys* (Protestants) staff abortion facilities, aside from the (late) Tiller, you have yet to demonstrate the religious affiliation of abortion providers.

Not only that they are (allegedly) Protestant, but that NONE are Catholic.

1,694 posted on 01/21/2011 6:50:16 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: daniel1212; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
73% (highest) of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly affirm that Christ was sinless on earth, with Catholics, Lutherans and Methodists being tied at 33%, and the lowest being among Episcopalians with just 28%

Fascinating.

ENDLESSLY hereon we read RC's, in their postings, who are haughty, self-righteous, arrogant, derisive etc. toward Proddy denominations as being lower than pond scum compared to the Vatican AIWSOTARM.

Yet again, the EVIDENCE indicates that RC's are no better than Methodists and HORRORS, LUTERANS . . . regarding SUCH A KEY CHRISTIAN BIBLICAL DOCTRINE!

BUSTED RC'S. BUSTED.

It does
NOT MATTER
WHAT

the Catechism says.


When 66% of the folks in the pews
AIN'T BUYIN' IT,

The Vatican AIWSOTARM
has a bigger problem than NASA.


And upping the mindless UNHISTORICAL,
UNBIBLICAL
idiotic superstitious farcical
brainwashing
ain't gonna fix it.

And
CLAIMING
THAT
"Roman Catholocism = the Catechism"

is roughly equivalent to saying

that
OThuga's USA = The Constitution.

IT JUST AIN'T SO!

1,695 posted on 01/21/2011 7:00:16 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MarkBsnr; Alamo-Girl; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
I understand. However, not one of these verses supersede the Beatitudes or Matthew 25, or the Sermon on the Plain or any of the other teachings of Christ which lay conditions upon salvation.

Conditions no human being is ever capable of meeting, thus disqualifying all human beings from attaining salvation through those works making them then completely dependent on God's grace and mercy.

The Law was put in charge to lead us to Christ.

Galatians 3:21-29 21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

There are other versions that translate it that the Law was put in charge to lead us to Christ.

This link takes you to parallel translations.

The Law was to show us what God's standards are so that we can see that we can't do it ourselves and we can see our need for HIS righteousness and that we can come to Him and ask for His mercy through faith.

NOBODY can live the Beatitudes. Even if you were perfect from here on in, it's already too late as one sin is all it takes to condemn you and make you guilty of the entire Law.

Good works cannot make up for all the sin we have committed. There is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood, so we can't earn forgiveness by works, or penance, or paying it off in purgatory. Those will not get sin forgiven.

1,696 posted on 01/21/2011 7:04:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: daniel1212

Around the water cooler a group of associates discussing abortion. All those catholic believed a woman has a right to choose what she does with her body, relating to abortion. The other half believe abortion is murder. They were Methodist, Evangelical Free, Jewish, Baptist and Christian Missionary Alliance. (I asked what their church was)


1,697 posted on 01/21/2011 7:04:28 PM PST by caww
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To: Quix
And wasn’t some Christian symbol covered up?

A different Barry event at Georgetown U where he spoke and they covered up Jesus (IHS) at the request of the WH.
1,698 posted on 01/21/2011 7:05:56 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Ahhhhhh

Both were hideous.


1,699 posted on 01/21/2011 7:09:30 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

If it were not for reading the ten commandments...and the clincher was the following verse.... “any who sin in the least of these commandments is guilty of them all.”....I would surely have believed on a scale of one to ten I was doing pretty good. But of course there is the clincher...I knew at that point I was past any hope of meeting those “conditions”.


1,700 posted on 01/21/2011 7:12:24 PM PST by caww
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