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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: OpusatFR
The game y’all rigged is hide the theology. If you come in for combat you expect us box with one hand.

Coming in for COMBAT? WOW! Sounds serious and more so, since the Catholics here want to know other's personal information.

What we believe is out there for all to see. 2000+ years of it.

While the 2,000 is an exaggeration, and what Catholics believe is not the same and their posts have consistently shown that - the one thing that is the same - they believe in their church.

What y’all are playing at is the game of hiding the particular differences in y’alls theology to play the game of united front/sola scriptura in the guidance of the Sprit all for one, while in truth, y’all aren’t.

Theology? "God's Word is lIVING and ACTIVE. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart".

Differences? Try ONE WAY, ONE TRUTH, ONE LIFE - JESUS, THE WORD. GOD'S WORD is the FINAL AUTHORITY.

There you have it. Leave the combat mentality down - it sounds deranged.

Leave man made teachings and pick up God's Word and get Holy Spirit filled and you will have what we have - TRUTH, the Undefiled TRUTH - that always was and always will be.

The manipulation is all on y’all’s side.

Manipulation for what? You have nothing we want - many of us left what you embrace!

It's ALL about JESUS! Get to KNOW HIM.

1,601 posted on 01/20/2011 7:08:29 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: MarkBsnr

Hoarders of spiteful feelings sure seem to.

It’s funny, I was in the shower when it came to me. Hordes! Not hoards! I just knew you’d be the first to correct me. ;o)


1,602 posted on 01/20/2011 7:16:34 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Hoarders of spiteful feelings sure seem to.

It’s funny, I was in the shower when it came to me. Hordes! Not hoards! I just knew you’d be the first to correct me. ;o)


1,603 posted on 01/20/2011 7:17:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom; Quix
I will ask for an apology from you for this. You were not part of that conversation nor a subject of it, and you have no right to intrude upon it in this fashion. It was not about you and it speaks volumes upon your character that you assume it.

I think H - E - double matchsticks should freeze over before Metmom apologizes to you. The post you made was in response to one Quix made to metmom - backtrack it yourself if you don't believe me - so she has every right to comment. As does ANYONE else on this forum since it is OPEN thread. The volume of character I am hearing from your silly diatribe speaks plenty about you.

1,604 posted on 01/20/2011 7:43:10 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: OpusatFR; presently no screen name; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
The game y’all rigged is hide the theology.

Why on earth do you think we'all are hiding our theology? We are not playing game of presenting a united front based on sola scriptura. We'all agree on that, just as we all agree on salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone.

There are differences among us that we believe fall into the disputable matters category. If it doesn't bother us that there are those differences between us, why does it bother you'all so much? Good grief, it seems to eat you guys alive that we don't agree on everything.

BTW, the you'all is a great way of making the distinction of *you*. I will likely be absconding with it, and not in mockery of you either, lest you think that when I use it.

1,605 posted on 01/20/2011 7:53:28 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ..
A thread? Interesting. And not doubt you will deny whatever on that thread you happen to dislike in a manner of obfuscation. I post what I believe, and I post links to the documents that I believe. I am not a coward.

I have posted what I believe and I provided a link to a document that shows what I believe. However, if you don't like it, there's not much I can do about that.

You have made many unChristian and antiChristian claims over the recent past, including a repudiation of the Nicene Creed and the Gospels. Interesting way to show faith through Christ alone.

Provide the links.

I will ask for an apology from you for this. You were not part of that conversation nor a subject of it, and you have no right to intrude upon it in this fashion. It was not about you and it speaks volumes upon your character that you assume it.

I most certainly was. You can go back and follow through the conversations.

I get called a coward and *I* am expected to apologize? In your dreams.

1,606 posted on 01/20/2011 7:57:31 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne
If you were in danger, I would let you know.

Your post 1498 was not "making it personal" because you were condemning a group instead of an individual Freeper.

On this post, however, by saying "some hotheaded proddie living in May 2010" it was making the thread "about" an individual Freeper which is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

1,607 posted on 01/20/2011 8:04:03 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you.


1,608 posted on 01/20/2011 8:32:24 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: metmom

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!:::


I pointed you to a thread that explains very well what I believe.

That is the essence of the message. THAT is what is going to get me to heaven.

I realize that Catholics have a hard time when not in control. Believe me, I know.

There seems to be this constant, compulsive need to compartmentalize everyone so they know just where they’re coming from and what to expect out of them. Maybe that need to control is what gives them so much trouble in simply accepting eternal life as a free gift, and rather adding their own good works to it to *help*. They can control their own good works. it makes them feel in control.

Depending completely on God means relinquishing control.

A large part of the reason I refuse to *give up* information to be more specific is the anticipated reaction on the part of Catholics. I’ve seen how snottily, condescending they are to someone who gets their non-Catholic doctrine *right*, IOW, it happens to agree with Catholic doctrine.

So what if there’s area of agreement? That does not mean I am on my way *back across the Tiber*, that I am then by default, admitting that everything else the Catholic church teaches is true and right, or that I accept, by default again, that the Catholic interpretation of the whole body of Scripture is correct.

Plus, there is simply that independent side of me that resists being categorized and labeled, or manipulated. I am not a crowd follower.

I have made it quite clear what my position is on salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. And I’ve been equally clear on the authority and sufficiency of Scripture alone for the believer. I don’t need to claim denominational affiliation and quote theologians to validate those beliefs.

For all the marshmallow and coward insinuations, I still have not been manipulated into providing what it is apparent that Catholics wish to hear out of me. Not the soft squishy characteristics of a coward or marshmallow.


1,609 posted on 01/20/2011 11:09:18 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

“BTW, the you’all is a great way of making the distinction of *you*. I will likely be absconding with it, and not in mockery of you either, lest you think that when I use it.”

So you think the fact that I live in the South is somehow a mockery?

I have to apologize because that’s a typo. That should have been all y’all instead of the singular y’all.

If you check back, I use all y’all in other posts.

You can use it. It don’t own the copyright.


1,610 posted on 01/21/2011 1:21:33 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Quix
The hymen does not denote not virginal...many things can break the hymen without giving birth....Not unusual in women that play sports, my daughter when 3 years old climbed up on the counter and slide off onto the open cupboard door. Had to take her to emergency as she screamed when urinating...was a dancer in high school and according to her gyn dr. has a torn hymen. The original injury when she was 3 caused the tear. Idon'tknow where your opinion of breaking her hymen comes from...virginal just means no sexual relations.

inform yourself of what virginal means and if a torn hymen means one has had sexual relations.

1,611 posted on 01/21/2011 1:48:11 AM PST by goat granny
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To: Judith Anne

Where has the Catholic Church FAILED to act?

Can’t believe you even asked that question. Don’t you read of those accounts? The blind school is just one where this was reported time and time and time again and not acted on, rather covered up.


1,612 posted on 01/21/2011 4:22:03 AM PST by caww
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To: OpusatFR

*sigh*.

No. I had no idea where you lived. I never read anywhere that you may have posted it and I can’t hear accents on the screen.

Since the RF guidelines prevent the making it personal and one of the most annoying (to me) things about English is the personal pronoun of *you* in that you can’t distinguish between *you* plural, and *you* singular, I thought you were doing that to make the distinction so that nobody could complain that you (sing.) were making it personal.

I think it’s a great idea to use *you’all* or *y’all* to prevent confusion.


1,613 posted on 01/21/2011 5:47:18 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom

“You guys staff Planned Parenthood. There are no Catholics on staff, are there?”

I can almost guarantee that no one of evangelical faith works at Planned Parentood, while RCs are overall more liberal than evangelicals


1,614 posted on 01/21/2011 5:48:54 AM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: goat granny

I agree with you on that.

The traditional definition of virgin doesn’t always work.

It’s a distinctly unfair categorization to girls who are morally pure to say a girl who never had sex was not a virgin.


1,615 posted on 01/21/2011 5:50:05 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: daniel1212; MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Remind me again.

Which big name politicians are it who are the BIG abortion supporters that allow places like PP to operate legally in this country?

Could it be Pelosi? Kennedy? Kerry? Biden? Cantwell? Gillibrand? Schumer?

If abortion wasn’t legal in this country, who works there wouldn’t be an issue.

Besides, MB, you’re absolutely SURE of the religious affiliation of every abortion provider and worker?

hmmmm......


1,616 posted on 01/21/2011 6:43:15 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: goat granny; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

OF COURSE. Am quite familiar with all that. My wife was a nurse.

PRODDYS did not raise this absurdity, RC’s did. With great emotional intensity, haughty smugness and indignant cheek, BTW.

I was and am shocked that there would be such a silly growing RELIGIOUS dogma in anyone’s noggin whatsoever—much less that there’s a more or less formal cluster of RC’s who treat it as sensible fact and worth lobbying for, propagating, clinging to as some sort of factual holy phenomenon.

What UNBiblical rubbish.


1,617 posted on 01/21/2011 7:31:50 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: caww

BBBBBut wasn’t that

before they failed to act but pretended to

which was

before they acted but pretended not to

which was

before they insisted no one bother but pretened great concern . . .

which was before . . .


1,618 posted on 01/21/2011 7:33:30 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

Would this help? It’s a Wikipedia article on one Robert Drinin. For those who don’t know of him, he played an important role in making abortion legal in the U.S. as he provided the political cover for Catholic politicians to support abortion.
He was also a Catholic priest.

“Throughout Drinan’s political career, his consistent support of abortion rights drew significant opposition from Church leaders, who had also repeatedly requested that he not hold political office in the first place.[1][3] Drinan attempted to reconcile his position with official Church doctrine by stating that while he was personally opposed to abortion, considering it “virtual infanticide,”[4] its legality was a separate issue from its morality. This argument failed to satisfy his critics. According to the Wall Street Journal, Drinan played a key role in the pro-choice platform becoming a common stance with politicians in the Kennedy family.[5]”


1,619 posted on 01/21/2011 8:09:06 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change; MarkBsnr

Interesting.....

Seems that the abortion players are not all Protestants and “you guys”.

I still would be interested in what evidence there is to verify the religious affiliation of abortion provider staff.


1,620 posted on 01/21/2011 8:33:09 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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