Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54
Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.
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In this complaint, her statement accused statistics of lies. If she had said all statisticians are liars it still would not have been making it personal. But if she had accused a Freeper of lying it would have been "making it personal."
The second complaint "what a joke" is also not "making it personal" because it attacks the statement made and not the Freeper who made the statement.
The last complaint mentions an email at 1305 but I see none.
And finally, post 1327 is not finessing the Religion Forum guidelines.
Seventh count of Cronos pinging the RM and copying me today alone.
Who’s disrupting the thread again?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
This is the sort of twisting that makes your potentially legitimate argument absurd; equating a bar with an x-rated movie house. There is no equation, except in your mind. And “chain smoking”? I’ve already said that moderation is the key for everyone. So why continue to bring it up since it only demonstrates the absurdity of your views?
In fact my pastor and all our church officers are meeting at a bar tonight to have our monthly leadership meeting. Are you offended by that? Should you be?
The only liars around here are those who willful distort the words and views of others. You can avoid that by giving it a rest.
The Catholic church is clearly in the wrong here. It is being disobedient to Scripture among the clergy, and any Catholics who place themselves under that authority are being disobedient as well.
That account you gave in post 1,241, shows the disobedience to Scriptural mandate by a whole congregation. And Catholics wonder why people don't want to go back after they leave.
GOD SAID EMPHATICALLY many times in HIS WORD
that HIS EVERLASTING PROMISES
to the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
would FOREVER REMAIN IN FORCE . . . in one charactization
BY GOD ALMIGHTY—
AS LONG AS THERE ARE STARS, SUN AND MOON.
THERE STILL ARE
STARS, SUN AND MOON.
YET, REPLACEMENTARIANS, PRETERISTS et al
insist that God has canceled HIS EVERLASTING PROMISES to the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and transferred 100% of all of them totally and only to the Christian Church, the Body of Christ.
FUNCTIONALLY, I CAN’T THINK OF ANY MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THAT
THAN MAKING GOD OUT TO BE A LIAR.
And, it is my duty as a Christian Brother to forcefully warn anyone doing that of the seriousness of it.
Those who tire of me fulfilling my Christian duty to the Gody of Christ, to non-Believers and to such individuals—could well consider stop making God out to be a liar.
God's promises are forever. God is not a man that He should lie.
He did not change His mind about the promises made to Abraham. Jerusalem is still there and Israel has been reestablished as a nation again, in fulfillment of prophecy.
Those who support Israel will be blessed. The US was for years for that reason, but since it has withdrawn its support from Israel, that protection is gone.
Anyone with any reading comprehension can see that. Best not to get too riled up over those who deny that. They have bigger issues to worry about considering God's pronouncement.
QUITE SO.
It takes a lot to get me emotionally riled up so’s it shows significantly LOL.
However, I do have feelings and take quite seriously anyone making God out to be a liar.
LUB,
Since you asked:
Cronos:
TC, can you clarify what you mean by this? I think the Jews are following the faith of their father Abraham, just that they have not acknowledged the Messiah.
Topcat54:
Here’s a shocking statement for most modern western Christians: Abraham was Trinitarian. Abraham trusted in Jesus Christ, the divine second person, for his salvation. We have Christ’s own testimony to that effect:
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8)
Abraham saw Christ and rejoiced. Abraham wasn’t some bland monotheist who believed in some unnamed (possibly human-ony) messiah; he believed in Jesus Christ, the second person of the holy Trinity, the God-man who entered history to save His people from their sins. The faith of Abraham was a Trinitarian faith.
This is why Paul tells us in Galatians 3 that those who believe in Christ are the true children of Abraham.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal. 3:29)
It’s a sad thing to say, but based on the NT testimony, unbelieving Jews are not practicing the faith of Abraham.
Cronos:
That is heavy stuff, tc. I never read Christ meeting Abraham in that way. It does seem to make sense right now, but I would value reading cinciella counter-statement.
Well, when it comes to the Word of God, I don’t like to speculate. I’m more the literalist, ya know! There’s nothing in the OT that shows Abraham worshipping God with the knowledge that He is a triune God. I think to say otherwise is to be speculative. What we do know is that God was pleased with his faith. “For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.”. Romans 4:3 (Also Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:9, Romans 4:22, Galatians 3:6 & James 2:23 - where he was also called God’s friend. I think that when Jesus said, “Abraham rejoiced to see My day...” that Abraham indeed saw Christ sent to earth as the ultimate sacrifice, but from his position in Heaven, as a saint in Glory.
I’m one that believes the Bible as it is written. The OT is clearly prophesying about Christ’s coming and those scriptures were partly fulfilled in His first coming. Many of the prophecies about the Israelites in the OT have not been fulfilled as of yet. Many of them are tied together with the “land”. We’ve seen the re-gathering happening in our lifetimes. It is clear that they are still looking for their Messiah. All their feasts and festivals, the Torah, all point to Jesus, but they have been blinded for a time. That is all laid out in Romans 11. I believe that the Jews will soon see their coming Messiah, repent, and that God will remove the “ungodliness” from Jacob, as prophesied in Isaiah, and reiterated by Paul in Romans 11.
Romans 4:20-22: Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.”
I’m not persuaded that Abraham knew that God was a triune God, but I am persuaded that he believed that God would keep His promises toward all his descendants. And some are yet to be fulfilled.
A Dispensationalist goes to heaven:
“Thank you Jesus for all you’ve done. I have only one thing against you, you’re Replacementarian hermeneutic.”
I guess I’m being real dense about your post.
I don’t understand it at all.
Perhaps you could spell it out for me.
This is exactly speaking to the leadership and the leity. They have been given the authority to judge and remove those Priests from the church....when that does not happen swiftly then the whole body suffers. In the homosexual issue it's become malignant because that judgement was not made for so many years. Therefore God made it fully public on an international scale. "Be sure your sin will find you out"
AMEN! AMEN!
Though certainly Christ knew what He was talking about to assert that Abraham saw Christ’s day coming and rejoiced.
That's quite obvious. You people only seem to get upset when it occurs in a Catholic setting. And then y'all get in a tiff when it is pointed out that there is actually less of it going in within the Catholic Church.
What in the world is objectionable about post 1327?
Are you just randomly complaining about posts?
Finally there is the “kill the messenger” attitude toward the media that beat the drums of exposure the loudest, like the Boston Globe and Hartford Courant.
Whatever else these papers are and whatever their underlying motives they did a singular service to both the public and the victims of abuse by doing their jobs, exposing to light of day a great evil that the Catholic Church worked to keep hidden away.
What is often not discussed in the accounts is the damage to those who have their schools and churches closed because of money problems yet somehow the hierarchy has been able to find the money to pay a couple of billion dollars in judgments lost.
When the neighborhood church closes and is sold off to make a parking lot where do the parishioners turn? There's just not enough millstones to go around.
No, we get upset at the inaction of the church in the matter. There is simply no possible way of preventing stuff like that from happening some where at some time.
In Protestant churches, it’s dealt with. You can argue that it happens in both and it does, but show me where Protestants let it fester and grow. Or that they cover it up by rearranging parish assignments.
The one case of adultery that I knew of involving a Protestant minister, did not even include molesting children, and yet he was removed VERY promptly. His credentials were revoked immediately and he was out so fast he probably didn’t know what happened to him.
There is simply no excuse for the inept dealing with it that the Catholic church demonstrates over and over again. The Catholic church is being disobedient to the direct commands of Scripture by not purging the evil from within them.
What good is it doing paying lip service against homosexuality in the world and letting it fester within its own self? That’s hypocrisy.
No, it isn't. Catholicism and Catholics are clearly identified on the thread. Any other confession hides, like cowards, from identification because if they came out and said it, their own flaws would be exposed. You (plural)claim "badgering" because you (plural) KNOW that your church is deeply flawed and you don't what it's filth exposed.
That you know of. Why would anyone tell you?
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