Posted on 01/08/2011 6:43:59 PM PST by Grig
400 years ago Catholics looked on Protestantism as a cult of Christianity that lead people to hell, and looked on Protestants as not really being Christians. Clearly they've changed their minds a bit over the years on that.
In time, the same thing will happen with respect to Mormons IMHO. In fact it largely has already. While there are still some who speak of Mormons the same way that Catholics spoke of Protestants centuries ago, society in general recognizes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as a Christian group.
For example:
Beliefnet.com lists Latter-Day Saints as a part of Christianity: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Latter-Day-Saints/index.aspx
Wikipedia: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (abbreviated as the LDS Church, and colloquially referred to as the Mormon Church) is a restorationist Christian religion" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
Likewise the definition of 'Christian' at dictionary.com doesn't require adherence to orthodox dogma. Nor am I aware of any reputable dictionary or encyclopedia that says otherwise.
Here on FR when you go to post to the Religion forum you have the option of checking off what denomination(s) the post applies to. In there it lists the category of "Other Christian" as being specifically for "7th Day Adventist, Churches of God, Messianic Christians, Unitarian, LDS, etc."
This of course is separate from the question of what set of teachings is actually correct. Christ taught that not all who lay claim to his name will have a legitimate claim, and in the end He will be the judge. That's fine with me.
“Bottom Line: Mormons are not, and will never be, Christians!”
Amen and Amen
Would engaging in murder and torture disqualify people from being considered Christian? Or perhaps giving their approval and support to those who do?
Sorry, but Christ didn’t even believe in the Trinity. Christ himself declares that God the Father is his own God just like the he is Almighty God to each of us in John 17:10. Another obvious example is when Christ died on the cross and commended his spirit into the hands of the Father.
If the Trinity is so essential to Christianity ... then why did it have to be established by an Emperor in 325 and by a murderous purge in 380-400 AD by Theodosius II? Also .... why can’t it be proven by the bible alone without relying on the Creeds?
More recently, during the “First Vision” in 1830, Christ himself declared to Joseph Smith that the various Creeds were an abomination in his sight.
In other words .... the whole “three in one ... one in three ... but not always three ... and not always one ... and three incarnates ... but one incarnate .... but sometimes three incarnate” ..... Never was endorsed or taught by Christ himself!
Sorry WXRG ...
the prophecy that “Most People” would be deceived obviously cannot be fullfilled by Latter Day Saints ... since we are in the VAST Minority of Christians.
My guess is that a more plausible description for the deception of “Most People” is clearly the Nicene, Apostaolic and Athenasian Creeds ....
Ramonne
.....as You judge .... so shall ye be judged!
by your own heard-heartedness, stiff-neckedness, you have rejected the best qualities that Christ taught.
Ramone .... have you considered that a more accurate description for yourself is Trinitarian, rather than Christian?
Considerin that, you believe that anyone who confesses belief in Christ that does not conform to Trinitarian dogma to be non-christian...
Consequently, in your world, faith in the Trinity ... trumps ... faith in Christ?
Correct?
Um, Mormon, the Mormon jesus, according to your founder and subsequent leadership, was sired by the sunoon of a god and goddess who had been mortals and gained the attributes of godhood, then were appointed as god(s) over the earth. You may not like the term ‘trinity’ but it is not likely that we ought accept teaching from you since the jesus of your religion had to earn the attributes of godhhod, as taught by those who fabricated your religion.
MHG ...
Get off thee drugs ... your understanding and/or reasoning is an embarassment
Considerin that, you believe that anyone who confesses belief in Christ that does not conform to Trinitarian dogma to be non-christian...
Consequently, in your world, faith in the Trinity ... trumps ... faith in Christ?
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Yes and it doesn’t trump it, it is part of it. To be a Christian is to hold traditional biblical views on the Person work and Nature of Jesus Christ. Trinitarians do that, Mormons do not.
Therefore, the view that there are 3 gods only united in purpose (the LDS teaching opposing the Trinity), excludes the LDS from being Christian because it denies the nature of Christ as being GOD incarnate (not just ‘a’ god).
And we haven’t even gotten to the OTHER heresies involving the Person, nature and work of Christ that the LDS teach.
Want a list?
The truth is that the name “Christ” is an anglisized version of the Greek “Christos” which is a translation of the Hebrew “Messiah” which meanes the “Anointed One”.
“Christ” means the “Anointed One”!
Which leads to a question .... who did the Anointing?
Obviously God the Father .... consequently, if God and Christ were co-equal as per the Nicene Creed .... then Jesus Christ could not be described as the “Christ” since there would have been no reason for him to annoint himself.
Another take on this is if Christ was the “Anointed One” then it stands to reason that there were others who were not anointed.
“I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret." (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)"The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us..." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)
"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father, and so on, from generation to generation, from one heavenly world to another still more ancient, until our minds are wearied and lost in the multiplicity of generations and successive worlds, … and as a last resort, we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten. But why does man seek for a first, when revelation informs him that God's works are without beginning? (Lds apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 132, 1853)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190)
It should be realized that God is not progressing in knowledge, truth, virtue, wisdom, or any of the attributes of godliness. He has already gained these things in their fullness. But he is progressing in the sense that his creations increase, his dominions expand, his spirit offspring multiply, and more kingdoms are added to his domains. (Bruce McConkie, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 5-10.)
It is perhaps too difficult for you to comprehend this, but defining the Momron god as having once not been 'a god' and having to gain those attributes means that Mormonism teaches that God was not always God. That contradicts what God says of Himself. So, when you try to lie and play words games to cover the blasphemies in mormonism, it is against God you blaspheme, not me.
Inman ping.
OK ... a simple question: Who was Christ referring to in John 17:10?
by the way ... you remind me of Saul (earlier version of Paul). He also thought that ancient orthodoxy was beyond question or fault!
The truth is that the name “Christ” is an anglisized version of the Greek “Christos” which is a translation of the Hebrew “Messiah” which meanes the “Anointed One”.
“Christ” means the “Anointed One”!
Which leads to a question .... who did the Anointing?
Obviously God the Father .... consequently, if God and Christ were co-equal as per the Nicene Creed .... then Jesus Christ could not be described as the “Christ” since there would have been no reason for him to annoint himself.
Another take on this is if Christ was the “Anointed One” then it stands to reason that there were others who were not anointed.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Quote Scripture to me MHG ... I deal in the Doctrines not in the twisted fantasies that you distort from someone journal.
Let’s talk Scriptures .... or can you back your beliefs up with them?
I posted true quotes from the blasphemous founders of your non-Christian religion. That is sufficient and to respond any further to you would give you a slice of credulity you obviously do not deserve since you’re hell-bent to spread the heresies of Mormonism. Have a night
Yes ... that would be Jesus Christ who was in the beginning with God as also shown by the plurality in Gen 1:26
That Christ was a God still doesn’t mean that he was God almighty .... since he also considers God the Father his God as in John 17:10
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