Blood is on the hands of Rome. Again.
THE VATICAN'S ROLE IN THE RISE OF MODERN ANTISEMITISM
Posted on 01/08/2011 6:43:59 PM PST by Grig
400 years ago Catholics looked on Protestantism as a cult of Christianity that lead people to hell, and looked on Protestants as not really being Christians. Clearly they've changed their minds a bit over the years on that.
In time, the same thing will happen with respect to Mormons IMHO. In fact it largely has already. While there are still some who speak of Mormons the same way that Catholics spoke of Protestants centuries ago, society in general recognizes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as a Christian group.
For example:
Beliefnet.com lists Latter-Day Saints as a part of Christianity: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Latter-Day-Saints/index.aspx
Wikipedia: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (abbreviated as the LDS Church, and colloquially referred to as the Mormon Church) is a restorationist Christian religion" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
Likewise the definition of 'Christian' at dictionary.com doesn't require adherence to orthodox dogma. Nor am I aware of any reputable dictionary or encyclopedia that says otherwise.
Here on FR when you go to post to the Religion forum you have the option of checking off what denomination(s) the post applies to. In there it lists the category of "Other Christian" as being specifically for "7th Day Adventist, Churches of God, Messianic Christians, Unitarian, LDS, etc."
This of course is separate from the question of what set of teachings is actually correct. Christ taught that not all who lay claim to his name will have a legitimate claim, and in the end He will be the judge. That's fine with me.
It was primarily directed to the person it was sent to. Mormons, protestants, same to me.
I see ...
Well, Roman Catholicism did "flourish" under the Nazis. On that we agree.
Pacelli was no enemy of the National Socialists. In fact, he was instrumental in bringing them to power with his support of the Enabling Act of 1933 and the destruction of the Nazi's only remaining opponent in Germany, the Catholic Center party. Pacelli made a pact with the devil -- leave our parochial schools and churches alone and do whatever you want with the Jews in Europe.
We both know how that turned out.
The Lutheran Germans were MUCH more enthusiastic about Nazism than the Catholics. There is no question about that.
And what did Lutherans do to save the Jews? I’m sure you’re very well aware of the rabid anti-semtisim of Martin Luther.
The Catholic Church saved 700,000 from the ovens; German Lutherans not so many.
And "the Catholic Church saved 700,000 from the ovens" is complete fiction. Just a few months ago we were told it was 350,000. Any day now we'll be told Rome saved ALL the Jews from the ovens.
German Lutherans were represented by DIETRICH BONHOEFFER who was martyred at the hands of the Nazis.
Unlike Pacelli who ate well and lived into the 1950's with his Bavarian nun companion by his side for decades.
And finally, Hitler was a Roman Catholic as were most of his inner circle. Hitler was never excommunicated, but Martin Luther was. lol. Shows whom Rome really fears -- Christians with a Bible.
Would you like the Lutheran Nazism in pictures? Here it is:
http://sites.google.com/site/apostolicapologetics/editorials/nazi-lutheranism
Bonhoeffer was far too little, far too late!
wow, blaming the Church for ML, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blood is on the hands of Rome. Again.
No, I’m only blaming Luther’s antisemitism on Rome.
Old habits die hard.
Did you like the naziLutheran church pictures? I thought the baptismal font with Hitler was a particularly poignant monument to protestant history. Error is error! Truth is in Rome, no where else.
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
There are photos all over the internet of Hitler and his men attending mass, shaking hands with priests and other con men. The only “baptismal font” that mattered to Hitler was the Roman Catholic one he was baptized with.
Hitler was a Roman Catholic. As were Himmler, Goebbels, Heydrich, Hoess, Eichmann, Mengele — all were practicing Roman Catholics.
You didn’t answer the question, did you appreciate and understand the meaning of the protestant Hitler baptismal font? There were none of those in Catholic Churches in Germany. NEVER.
Of course, if one consumes the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ “unworthily”, it is a serious offense. I’m sure that didn’t matter to the Nazis who are rotting in hell. Most of whom are Lutherans.
“The Roman Catholic Church (including all its component particular Churches, whether Latin or Eastern) practices closed communion. Christians that do not share its theology of the Eucharist (such as those who follow Reformed Protestant teaching on the matter) are absolutely excluded.”
I’m just reminding you of your place.
TRUE, TRUE. The question is, what did Jesus mean by that. The Mormons and JW’s believe Jesus was sent from God, are they saved? Or are all those that are to be saved added to the Church, which is His Body?
LeGrande! Welcome back to FR!
The very same John, under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote in 2 John 9-11: “Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son. If any one comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house or give him any greeting; for he who greets him shares his wicked work.”
What is the doctrine of Christ spoken about and how can this doctrine be different in the 16th century than it was for the first 15 centuries after Jesus rose from the dead?
i guess it must be 5:00pm somewhere!
;-) shhhhhh - I get it
Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 5:1 - Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Now read the rest of Romans, Galatians, Ephesians (pay particular attention to Eph. 2:8-10), Titus (pay particular attention to 3:5). The James passage you are referring to 'faith without works' etc. does not and never has meant that its faith plus works for justification before God. That interpretation contradicts all the above passages.
What it does mean is that a REAL faith will ALWAYS be accompanied by works. If there are no works, the faith is dead. In other words, the faith isn't REAL. But justification has always been by FAITH, or the cross was not necessary (Galatians 2:21). Works have never been the means of justification, only the proof of it.
But hey if you want to add works to the equation mis-interpreting James go for this one:
James 2:10 -For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
That verse means absolute 100% perfection is what God requires. So if you're going to mean faith plus works, traditions, sacraments, etc. etc. etc. you have to be 100% perfect in keeping them. That means deeds, even thoughts must be absolutely perfect at every point in your life. If you ever at any point even as a 2 year old disobeyed your Mother you broke the law - 100% is what is required per James 2:10 if you want to camp out in James as a proof text. Good luck with that.
Btw: Don't you have another thread to hijack?
Your precise exegesis of James is further reinforced by what James declare should be the message to the gentiles coming to Christ in the mission field, found in Acts 15, IIRC.
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