Posted on 01/03/2011 10:40:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
On January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church.
Martin Luther, the chief catalyst of Protestantism, was a professor of biblical interpretation at the University of Wittenberg in Germany when he drew up his 95 theses condemning the Catholic Church for its corrupt practice of selling indulgences, or the forgiveness of sins. He followed up the revolutionary work with equally controversial and groundbreaking theological works, and his fiery words set off religious reformers all across Europe.
In January 1521, Pope Leo X excommunicated Luther. Three months later, Luther was called to defend his beliefs before Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms, where he was famously defiant. For his refusal to recant his writings, the emperor declared him an outlaw and a heretic. Luther was protected by powerful German princes, however, and by his death in 1546, the course of Western civilization had been significantly altered.
Actually, plumbing is easy.
Plumbing that doesn’t leak is hard.
I think I know the name of the group that you mean—but in my experience, far from trying to interpose themselves between the seeker of grace and the giver of grace, they plead practically non-stop both with God (when they pray “give us this day our daily bread) and with every seeker of grace who will listen to have the seekers of grace have the giver of grace crammed (not the right verb) down their throats every day. Far from interposing between the seeker of grace and the source of grace, the priest takes away He whom we have seen with our eyes and he whom the priest has held within his hands and leaves him on my tongue.
As for the use of the word alone, most heresy comes from neglecting some truths while exaggerating others. Christ is God and man. He is not God alone, he is not man alone. The use of the word alone is a good clue that the theology is flawed.
The Catholic church mistranslated Genesis 3:15 and used the personal pronoun *she* instead of *he*.
And they mistranslate the word *repentance* in the NT as *penance*.
Should those people be burned at the stake as well?
Interesting as well, that you do not condemn the burning at the stake of what you consider someone who mistranslates the Bible.
Do you consider that a capital offense that deserves the death penalty of being burned alive? Do you approve of the Catholic church’s actions in that case?
This is the key point... authority. You follow Grace alone, Faith alone and Bible alone. In that, you must trust to private revelation and interpretation which has been decried numerous times on this thread. These private views of spiritual matters have brought disunity in Christianity where Christ prayed for us to be one as He and the Father are One.
So we come back to the issue of authority. Scripture records who was given authority... and it was before we had the Book of Romans to memorize. It was the Apostles (Matt 16:19) and their successors (Acts 1:20). This is the whole reason that there are Epistles... they were written by Church men of authority to correct errors in the targeted churches. Without Church authority, there is no New Testament Canon... and no Church!
Can you defend Papal infallibility in matters of faith and doctrine?
Who excommunicated Martin Luther, King?
Absolutely..except the libs haven’t yet sent out people to hunt her down and kill her
Amen
When is the Catholic church going to tell us where that term is found in the Bible?
The Church has given names to doctrine as Adam gave names to the animals... to identify them. Is your problem with the word "Trinity" or with the doctrine?
I can easily show you the Trinity in Scripture... the word "Trinity" was simply given to us to describe the relationship. For that matter, can you find the word "Bible" in the Bible? That could be a problem for the "Bible Alone" crowd...
Exactly
Me either..
That’s the kind of moral evasion I would expect from Ford motor company, Bayer, etc. The church has a higher duty to loudly oppose evil. Hitler was an altar boy at some point. Several of his cohorts had been catholics too. The church was aware that many catholics had fallen into error by supporting the nazis. They did wrong by not throwing all their moral weight into the fight. There’s no excuse for them not clearly stating that if you are a member of the nazi our communist partyparty, you are excommunicated. Anything else is papal bull, an evasion.
The way the church today is clear on abortion is an example of how they should have acted back then.
That’s the kind of moral evasion I would expect from Ford motor company, Bayer, etc. The church has a higher duty to loudly oppose evil. Hitler was an altar boy at some point. Several of his cohorts had been catholics too. The church was aware that many catholics had fallen into error by supporting the nazis. They did wrong by not throwing all their moral weight into the fight. There’s no excuse for them not clearly stating that if you are a member of the nazi our communist partyparty, you are excommunicated. Anything else is papal bull, an evasion.
The way the church today is clear on abortion is an example of how they should have acted back then.
The Catholic church mistranslated Genesis 3:15 and used the personal pronoun *she* instead of *he*.
Would you care to cite a specific verse and translation where repentance is mistranslated as penance? (Translation does matter in as much as the meaning of english words does shift over time as well).
As a Catholic, I hope for the conversion of everyone who deliberately mistranslates the Bible. As a citizen, I am entitled to advocate the death penalty applied to law breakers to prevent the corruption of society. The Church isn’t overly fond of the death penalty, but recognizes that society has its own laws. The Church rarely, if ever, burnt anyone, but did allow Catholics in civil capacities, to exercise their due authority, so it is not a question of approving the Church’s actions, but those of, say, 16th century spaniards.
Perhaps you aren’t aware, but the Bible does indicate that burning alive is sometimes the appropriate form of punishment—who am I to elevate my judgment over Leviticus or Numbers. At the same time, I mostly stand by my tag line.
I can if we define what it means first. Papal infallibility is rarely invoked and when it is, it is defined as such. It is invoked when he is speaking ex Cathedra (from his seat on Peter's See) on matters of faith and doctrine. A good first example is the first Council of Jerusalem recorded in Acts 15. There was a spirited debate until Peter spoke. At his words, the matter was settled. It is the same now when important matters need definition.
Clearly, in personal matters, many Popes have publically proven their fallible humanity as did Peter in his treatment of gentiles... and he was called to carpet by St Paul in Galations.
The Catholic Church, after JPII appointed a committee to study the issue for thirteen years, "forgave" Galileo in 1992.
And it took them until October 31, 1992 for decide that Galileo was not guilty of heresy and forgive him because why?
And if they had really supported him from the beginning, why did they need to *forgive* him? Why wait over three hundred years to forgive him for something you claim the Church supported him in?
Would you call this moral evasion?
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html
Unless you have read the encyclical that you will find at the above link, I think that you are ignorant of what the Church actually did.
Exactly, that’s what the quote means. Anyone can claim to be an expert in philosophy and religion, there is no way to verify if there are any “leaks”, till one dies and meets the maker, then it will be too late.
Then the same could be said about Luther. But the Catholic church went out of its way to make it official for him.
Why for him and not for Hitler?
Most of Those fellow baptists have an hour of Sunday school before their 60-90 minute service . and then come back at 6 for an evening service while the Catholics are busy with the sunday football game.
Luther taught us how important it is to know the word of God and have the ability to rightly divide it...
It is so nice that because of Luther, the Catholic Church has banned the use of alcohol among its clergy
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