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To: Ripliancum; Elsie
The Muslims of today are much different than they were a couple thousand years ago, or even earlier.

First of all, Muhammad was born in the late 6th century and didn't get things cranked up with Islam until the 7th century. Muslims have been around only for a little over 1300 years.

Abraham was promised by the Lord that Ishmael would begat a great nation. It’s a shame what it has become.

The Arabs are not descendants of Abraham. This notion got its start by Muhammad trying to expropriate the religious mojo of the two high tech civilizations (and the builders of the first permanent cities) of the Arabian Peninsula, the Christian and Jewish kingdoms that had gotten their start on the Arabian Peninsula at least as long ago as the first century AD, almost 600 years before little Mo was born. Islam's relationship to Ishmael is almost exactly the same relationship as the Mormon Church to the so-called 10 lost tribes of Israel. Both are convenient fictions designed to place the originator's ancestors far enough back in the Biblical flow to try to gain some sort of legitimacy as the new people God has chosen to convey his truth to the world after a crooked religious establishment had turned aside to follow its own ways and hide the truth (think of the other groups in Christendom that did the same thing).
52 posted on 12/26/2010 7:25:44 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Well, as a Mormon myself, I would have to disagree with your premise.

Ishmael was the father of the islamic nations. What they have become is not how they started.

Further, the scattering of the Jews among all nations is well documented in scripture.

Here's a few.

I will scatter you among the heathen, Lev. 26:33
The Lord shall scatter thee among all people, Deut. 28:25, 37, 64
I will deliver them to be removed to all the kingdoms of the earth, Jer. 29:18–19
I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, Amos 9:9 (Zech. 10:9).
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, Matt. 15:24
I have other sheep which are not of this fold, John 10:16

54 posted on 12/26/2010 7:34:13 PM PST by Ripliancum ("For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given" Merry Christmas!)
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To: aruanan; Ripliancum
"a couple thousand" --> good catch aruanan -- I read that as "one thousand" in error. 2000 years ago Islam did not exist

Rip may be falling under the lie perpetrated by Moslems that "Arabs" are who populate and populated syria, egypta, Iraq etc, but that's not true.
94 posted on 12/27/2010 1:35:53 AM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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