Islamic And Mormonism Similarities: Similarities Between Joseph Smith and Muhammad

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[Red Badger]

I was informed, maybe wrongly, by other FReepers long ago that I should not post any anti Mormon stuff at the peril of my account.
IS this not acurate?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Many Baptist churches do these same things, especially the independents.
I QUIT a Baptist church when they wanted to see my paycheck stub.....***

I have never ever heard of a Baptist church doing this! Been going there for the last 35 years. ( Note: I am not a Baptist but the wife and kids are Baptists.)

[Red Badger]

Usually small non aligned congregations, not SBA or the other one I cant remember the letters....

[Godzilla]

So far, so good....And it's ok to drink a coffee during the sermon. ;)

Glad to hear both Sentinel! As a nevermo, I can only relate to what I've read regarding the trust factor being damaged upon leaving mormonism. After all the teaching of the only true church - and being burned by it and all. Many exmormon sites have an abundance of atheists/agnostics. Good to have you finding a church home where you can fellowship with other Christians and heal. Being able to drink coffee during the sermon is bonus!

[Red Badger]

Remember, any church can call itself Baptist. There are many that are really small fiefdoms for the preacher and his family. The WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH comes to mind....

[Godzilla]

Seekers of truth

Might well ask whether or not these so-called links (of which, only 2 can represent OFFICIAL doctrine for the lds church) will speak to this. When you do dig in, you will find prophets and apostles thrown under the bus because their teachings of doctrine are not PC enough in todays era - and so they must write them off. Seekers will note - for a church that claims a living prophet - these were the teachings of the living prophets at the time. If they are as screwed up as mormons of today claim - how trust worthy is the doctrine and teachings of the church built upon those very same 'mouthpieces' of the gods?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***I QUIT a Baptist church when they wanted to see my paycheck stub.....***

“Good for you; but THAT tactic is NOT spelled out in their ‘scriptures’; probably the KJV of the BIBLE.”

Here it is! Strange! No forced giving!

http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp

XIII. Stewardship

“God is the source of all blessings, temporal and spiritual; all that we have and are we owe to Him. Christians have a spiritual debtorship to the whole world, a holy trusteeship in the gospel, and a binding stewardship in their possessions. They are therefore under obligation to serve Him with their time, talents, and material possessions; and should recognize all these as entrusted to them to use for the glory of God and for helping others. According to the Scriptures, Christians should contribute of their means cheerfully, regularly, systematically, proportionately, and liberally for the advancement of the Redeemer’s cause on earth.”

[Logophile]

If you have not been a member, you simply cannot comprehend the severity of the burden of mormonism. 30-50 HOURS A WEEK of free labor, 10% (of gross) tithe with a year end tihing audit, a day's pay once a month for fast offering, and GUILT, GUILT, GUILT mixed in with never ending deceit and false doctrine.

Even as bishop, I never devoted as much as 30 hours a week to church work. (Someone who spends that much time is probably doing it wrong.)

I tithe 10% on my net (not gross) income. I have never conducted or been subjected to a "tithing audit." (Do you mean "tithing settlement"?)

Fast offerings are voluntary contributions to help the poor. The amount given is entirely up to the giver; the cost of two meals per month is suggested. I try to give more, but no one has ever questioned or even commented on my fast offering.

As for guilt—well, I feel guilty when I offend others. In my opinion, guilt is entirely appropriate in such cases. Fortunately, the Atonement of Jesus Christ provides the means whereby I may repent of my sins.

[Vendome]

Never heard of such a thing in my life.

I grew up IFB and that would never happen. It’s an honor system and besides, we don’t believe in 10% tithe. As far as I know there are no Baptist churches that believe in a literal 10% tithe and there are no Baptist churches who would have the temerity to ask for a paycheck stub.

Why? Well, you could read the parable of the woman who gave so very little yet it was all she could and from her heart.

God is interested in your intentions.

God has zero interest in proving yourself “worthy and well qualified”. That is strictly a Mormon concept and a Masonic concept, of which I belong to.

There is none worthy, no, not one. So if God doesn’t make the disctinction of a anyone being better than the other, for any reason, why then should it make sense to prove you are worthy.

Clearly you are not worthy and proof of your honesty by usurpation of your free will to decide “what” you want to give, how much of it and when is not worthy of God and is a concept of obligation by man to man.

41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. 42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: 44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

BTW, I went to Southern Baptist all over The South for years and I never heard of this practice proving yourself to another by showing your paycheck stub.

It’s stupid, without basis and ignores that may have a cast down, baby clothing, food, money, etc.

But you can give what you would and you would give what you can because the spirit compels you. Not because some man goaded you or shamed you to prove you are worthy or even a good Christian.

You need only prove yourself to God.

All the rest is bragging rights and God doesn’t care for that either.

I believe MHGinTN had something more succint on this subject a few days ago.

Nice try though. He’s a Southerner and he won’t buy what you are selling either.

If you want to name the church that requires this I would be happy to investigate myself but I’m calling Bravo Sierra on this one.

[ml/nj]

Man! You people sure have a lot of hatred in your hearts.

I'm Jewish. I really don't know much about the Mormons except for the hospitality they showed me when I visited their place. I have a copy of their book, which I've only looked at a little. Just let's say that our book has a lot more witnesses and archeology. But since I thought they were nice people anyway I did try to learn a little bit about their history when I got back home. This is nearly 20 years ago so maybe my memory has faded a bit. My recollection thought is that these folks were persecuted from pillar to post, and sometimes they fought back. A quick look at the Wiki articles now reinforces this.

If it is Mormon doctrine to slit non-believers throats and someone can point out where I might find this in any of their writings I will certainly have a look. This started as some sort of comparison between Islam and Mormonism; and surely I can find the "smite them at their necks" stuff in the Koran. Until someone leads me to such passages in the Book of Mormon, I guess I'll remain shocked by the hatred some of my fellow FReepers show for this group.

ML/NJ

[reaganaut]

Good point. There are many cults that masquerade as Christian churches, and that is not limited to the Baptists alone.

And they should be held to the same doctrinal standards as everyone else who claims to be part of the body of Christ.

And Mormonism is apart from Biblical Christianity and not even close to Christianity doctrinally.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

****Usually small non aligned congregations, not SBA or the other one I cant remember the letters....****

The only church I can think of other than Mormons that require 10% would be the Seventh Day Adventists (SDA). Many of the other churches wish the congregation would voluntarily give 10% but don’t require it.

[reaganaut]

“I was informed, maybe wrongly, by other FReepers long ago that I should not post any anti Mormon stuff at the peril of my account.
IS this not acurate?”

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It used to be that way a very long time ago, but that changed several years back. I have pinged Greyfoxx39 as she was part of the ‘mormon war’ here on FR. She can fill you in as I was off FR at the time.

[reaganaut]

Good to hear, fellowship is important for spiritual growth even though our salvation is not dependant upon it.

And it is very hard to trust after coming out of a cult. I have some friends who attended a cowboy church (the husband was saved at one from Mormonism) for many years and spoke highly of the movement.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***If it is Mormon doctrine to slit non-believers throats and someone can point out where I might find this in any of their writings I will certainly have a look.****

Google the words — blood atonement — and you will get plenty. Please note I did not say for you to google MORMON BLOOD ATONEMENT, but only the words— blood atonement.

[ml/nj]

Go away, you HATER. I asked one or two simple questions of you. I didn't ask you to suggest that I do some research. This isn't really my fight or my issue, except that your HATRED is shocking to me.

ML/NJ

[reaganaut]

Your attributions of hatred, when we have done/said nothing hateful speaks more negatively about you than us.

Also, why do you care? You are Jewish, and they reject Jesus as Messiah, so you don’t have a dog in this fight.

You assume that all Mormon doctrine can/is found in the Book of Mormon, or even the D&C and that is simply NOT true. Mormons believe in ‘continuing revelation’ and blood atonement comes not from their scripture but from their ‘prophets’.

However, we would be more than willing to provide quotes from their prophets (also considered scripture) about the doctrine.

Start here...

http://www.ils.unc.edu/~unsworth/mormon/bloodatonement.html

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

YOUR WORDS...

****If it is Mormon doctrine to slit non-believers throats and someone can point out where I might find this in any of their writings I will certainly have a look.****

I showed you where to look and you throw a hissyfit.

I just can’t please some people!

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“This isn’t really my fight or my issue, except that your HATRED is shocking to me.”

People are drawn to some TV shows for that very reason!

It would appear that your post itself is quite judgmental and hateful. I find your usage of capitals hateful.

[reaganaut]

I really don't know much about the Mormons

Well, that is obvious. I (and other inmans) however DO know alot about Mormons and their doctrines. Many of us haven't just 'met' nice Mormons, we lived that religion, we taught those doctrines and we believed them. And then we found out the truth - that Mormonism is all a lie.