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DNA Research and Mormon Scholars Changing Basic Beliefs
Beliefnet ^ | July 26, 2004 | Patty Henetz

Posted on 12/22/2010 11:20:50 PM PST by delacoert

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Plant geneticist Simon Southerton was a Mormon bishop in Brisbane, Australia when he woke up the morning of Aug. 3, 1998 to the shattering conclusion that his knowledge of science made it impossible for him to believe any longer in the Book of Mormon.

Two years later he started writing "Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA and the Mormon Church," published by Signature Books and due in stores next month. Along the way, he found a world of scholarship that has led him to conclude The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints belief is changing, but not through prophesy and revelation.

Rather, Southerton sees a behind-the-scenes revolution led by a small group of Brigham Young University scholars and their critics who are reinterpreting fundamental teachings of the Book of Mormon in light of DNA research findings. Along the way, he says, these apologist scholars, with the apparent blessing of church leadership, are contradicting church teachings about the origins of American Indians and Polynesians.

"You've got Mormon apologists in their own publications rejecting what prophets have been saying for decades. This becomes very troubling for ordinary members of the church," Southerton said.

And while the work of the BYU apologists - the term means those who speak or write in defense of something - remains confined largely to intellectual circles, some church members who have always understood themselves in light of Mormon teachings about the people known as Lamanites are suffering identity crises.

"It's very difficult. It is almost traumatizing," said Jose Aloayza, a Midvale attorney who likened facing this new reality to staring into a spiritual abyss.

"It's that serious, that real," said Aloayza, a Peruvian native born into the church and still a member. "I'm almost here feeling I need an apology. Our prophets should have known better. That's the feeling I get."

Southerton, now a senior researcher with the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization in Canberra, Australia, has concluded along with many other scientists studying mitochondrial DNA lines that American Indians and Polynesians are of Asian extraction.

For a century or so, scientists have theorized Asians migrated to the Americas across a land bridge at least 14,000 years ago. But Mormons have been taught to believe the Book of Mormon - the faith's keystone text - is a literal record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas who descended from the Israelite patriarch Lehi, who sailed to the New World around 600 B.C. The book's narrative continues through about 400 A.D.

The church teaches that Joseph Smith translated this record from gold plates found on a hillside in upstate New York in 1820, when he was 14. The Book of Mormon was first published in 1830.

In Mormon theology, Lamanites are understood as both chosen and cursed: Christ visited them, yet their unrighteousness left them cursed with dark skin. The Book of Mormon says Lamanites will one day be restored to greatness through the fullness of the gospel. (The original 1830 version of the Book of Mormon said they would become "white and delightsome;" in 1981, the passage was changed to "pure and delightsome.") Though not mentioned specifically in the Book of Mormon, Polynesians have been taught they are a branch of the House of Israel descended from Lehi.

Traditionally, Mormons have understood the Book of Mormon to cover all of the Americas in what is known as the hemispheric model. At a Bolivian temple dedication in 2000, church prophet and President Gordon B. Hinckley prayed, "We remember before Thee the sons and daughters of Father Lehi." And in 1982, the church's then-President Spencer Kimball told Samoans, Maori, Tahitians and Hawaiians that the "Lord calls you Lamanites."

Southerton's book details how these teachings have helped LDS efforts to convert new members, especially among Indians in Latin America and Maoris in New Zealand. He also offers primers on Mormon history and American race relations, quick tutorials on DNA research and syntheses of Mormon-related genetic research and DNA scholarship.

But in light of BYU scholars' recent opinion that the Book of Mormon's events could only have occurred in parts of Mexico and Guatemala - that is, Mesoamerica - the final third of the book is dedicated to examining the work of LDS scholars at the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, or FARMS, established 25 years ago and housed at BYU.

FARMS findings on Mesoamerica are based on the Book of Mormon's "internal geography," that is, descriptions of how long it took the ancient peoples to get from one place to another. The apologists now believe the events occurred only hundreds of miles from each other, not thousands - provoking new questions including how the Americas could have been so rapidly populated with people speaking so many languages without the presence of vast numbers of people who never appear in the narrative.

In a telephone interview from his Canberra office, Southerton said that keeping up with the rapidly growing body of work in genetic research made it difficult for him to finish the book while also keeping it up-to-date with critics and apologists and those in between all seeking to reframe the Book of Mormon in light of DNA research.

In particular, he's tried to keep up with FARMS qrticles, which he said are "completely at loggerheads with what the church leaders are teaching."

Church spokesman Dale Bills on Thursday said the church teaches only that the events recorded in the Book of Mormon took place somewhere in the Americas. The doctrine of the church is established by scripture and by the senior leadership of the Church, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve.

"Faithful Latter-day Saint scholars may provide insight, understanding and perspective but they do not speak for the church," he said.

On its Web site, under the "Mistakes in the News" heading, the church declares, "Recent attacks on the veracity of the Book of Mormon based on DNA evidence are ill considered. Nothing in the Book of Mormon precludes migration into the Americas by peoples of Asiatic origin. The scientific issues relating to DNA, however, are numerous and complex."

The site then offers Web links to five articles, four of which were published last year in the Journal of Book of Mormon Studies, a FARMS publication. Aloayza believes that is tacit approval of what FARMS is saying.

"There is such a huge divide between what the scholarly elite with the LDS church knows and will discuss and what the ordinary member knows," Aloayza said. "The burden of proof is on the people who are advancing the Book of Mormon as the word of God."

BYU political science professor and FARMS director Noel Reynolds said FARMS research and writings are not aimed at proving or disproving the Book of Mormon. "We understand the difficulties of that. We get dragged into these discussions repeatedly because of books like Southerton's or ordinary anti-Mormon questions," he said.

The work of FARMS shouldn't be considered counter to church doctrine because the geography of the Book of Mormon has "never been a matter of official church pronouncement," Reynolds said.

While believing in a hemispheric model might be considered "naive," he said, "it's also fair to say that the majority of LDS over a period of time have accepted a hemispheric view, including church leaders."

Added FARMS founder and BYU law professor John Welch, "We don't speak officially for the church in any way. These are our opinions, and we hope they're helpful."

Southerton, who no longer is a member of the church, said given the state of DNA research and increasing lay awareness of it, church leaders ought just to own up to the problems that continued literal teachings about the Book of Mormon present for American Indians and Polynesians.

"They should come out and say, 'There's no evidence to support your Israelite ancestry,' " Southerton said. "I don't have any problem with anyone believing what's in the Book of Mormon. Just don't make it look like science is backing it all up."


TOPICS: Other non-Christian; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: inman; lds; mormonism; scientism
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To: Sherman Logan
Nope, I have seen studies showing quite clearly that the more years an originally devout Christian (or member of another faith) spends in schooling the more likely they are to become agnostic or atheist.

Where are those studies?

I posted one that says differently but you said it was "irrelevant".

“Among scientists, as in the general population, being raised in a home in which religion and religious practice were valued is the most important predictor of present religiosity among the subjects.
Ecklund and Scheitle concluded that the assumption that becoming a scientist necessarily leads to loss of religion is untenable."

41 posted on 12/23/2010 10:11:58 AM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: ansel12
Ecklund and Scheitle concluded that the assumption that becoming a scientist necessarily leads to loss of religion is untenable.

Righto. Please point out where I stated otherwise.

Among scientists, as in the general population, being raised in a home in which religion and religious practice were valued is the most important predictor of present religiosity among the subjects.

While this is no doubt true, it does not invalidate my point. More of those scientists who were raised in believing homes remained faithful. This says nothing whatsoever about the percentage of believing scientists as compared to the general population.

42 posted on 12/23/2010 10:19:24 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
There is a definite correlation between years of schooling and loss of religious faith.

Why do you keep denying your own post?

The only study sited on this thread related to your claim, refutes it.

"Ecklund and Scheitle concluded that the assumption that becoming a scientist necessarily leads to loss of religion is untenable. Among scientists, as in the general population, being raised in a home in which religion and religious practice were valued is the most important predictor of present religiosity among the subjects."

43 posted on 12/23/2010 10:44:58 AM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: ansel12

Your robotic posting of a single post, over and over, are evidence of being a cult victim.


Actually, I broke out of the anti-Mormon cult and learned the truth. I know how pointless it is to play an anti-Mormon activists game.

The best thing in my opinion is to merely give the lurker an option to find the truth. Arguing with an anti is pointless. Yes I do it anyway from time to time. I am weak.


44 posted on 12/23/2010 11:09:20 AM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
Actually, I broke out of the anti-Mormon cult and learned the truth.

Even that is a robotic, cult victim response.

Before joining the Mormons, you were in an anti-Mormon cult? Where, for how long?

45 posted on 12/23/2010 11:26:57 AM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Your criticism of the source is not necessarily appropriate. Yes, the website is leftwing and atheist.

Well, sure, why would we question anything that's leftwing and atheist? I can't imagine. Oh, wait - leftwing, atheist, and wiki, even better.

I'm well aware of the bias against religion that exists in academia. However, hard sciences tend to be more conservative than other, softer sciences. Part of our discussion, at least the part that I was getting myself into, was whether there was a difference between the number of religious members of the hardcore sciences and the number of religious members of "other" sciences. The survey cited in your wiki site was strictly of members of the National Academy of Sciences, which may skew left just in its membership, and no mention is made of what constitutes "scientists" in their view. Do they classify anthropologists as scientists right along with physicists? How about "social scientists"? They do not say. So the original question goes unanswered, even with your cite.

By the way, I included the cite listing the famous scientists through the years who were devout in there faith to demonstrate that achieving the pinnacle of scientific thought does not preclude one from believing in God. In fact, often the opposite is true., which is why I asked the original question in the first place.
46 posted on 12/23/2010 12:24:42 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: delacoert; Pontiac

***Correct me if I’m wrong, but FARMS still exists as a sub-unit of the Maxwell Institute with its own distinctive cluster of BYU faculty and staff.***

Is this the same as DAMAGE CONTROL?

Though question asked! DAMAGE CONTROL! DAMAGE CONTROL!


47 posted on 12/23/2010 3:25:47 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: delacoert

I don’t really know.

I did a search for FARMS and found that they were now the Maxwell Institute.


48 posted on 12/23/2010 3:34:15 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: ansel12; Paragon Defender

***Your robotic posting of a single post, over and over, are evidence of being a cult victim.***

And I am tried of missing every IB4PD post I try to make!


49 posted on 12/23/2010 3:47:33 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
And I am tried of missing every IB4PD post I try to make!

Rest assured - you'll get plenty more chances ;P

50 posted on 12/23/2010 3:52:49 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You do an exellent impression of a drama queen.


51 posted on 12/23/2010 5:51:42 PM PST by delacoert
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To: Pontiac

Me neither.

Internet citations are always dated. Names change with time.

52 posted on 12/23/2010 5:56:52 PM PST by delacoert
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To: delacoert

***You do an exellent impression of a drama queen.***

Oh wy thank you! (taking a bow).


53 posted on 12/23/2010 6:12:27 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: April Lexington

I haven't noticed that tendency at all here on FR forums.

As you can tell, if I notice even the faintest whiff of antisemitic prose, I immediately contend with it.

Shalom.

54 posted on 12/23/2010 6:13:06 PM PST by delacoert
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To: Paragon Defender
Ridiculous assertion... especially in the context of a "Mormon scholar" discussion started by you under the censorship of open discussion afforded by caucus designation.

A legitimate search for truth would be open - which was only available in open threads posted subsequent to your one sided drivel.

55 posted on 12/23/2010 6:24:28 PM PST by delacoert
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To: Paragon Defender

Dear Mr. Paragon Defender,

Thank you for the opportunity to learn much more
about Mormonisms. It seems to be a very tricky
topic and often confusing to me.

On the FreeRepublics, I see lots of things posted
directly from the Mormonisms website. But then I
read posts from Mormons that say those things are
propaganda. How can that be? Does Mormonisms put
out propaganda about itself? This doesn’t seem
to make sense. Can you explain this? Is this to keep
the publics from understanding the real secrets of
Mormonisms?

Also, I am confused about how a person could
possibly become a god. I would very, very much like
to become a god. I would like to have powers
and have worshippers. Is there anything in writing
or do you have an interwebs links that would tell
me how I can become a god? I have cash for the
tithes. Is there a minimum tithes? [this may not
matter, but I am Canadian and our Loonie is worth
more than your US Dollar right now. It seems I
will have to do a conversion of Loonies to join
your group and I should probably get a discount
because of exchanging the Loonies]

Other than the New Age Movement (I saw Shirley
McClain on TV), I can’t find any other religion
that can tell me how to become a god. When I first
heard that Mormonisms can tell me how to become
a god, I leaped with excitement. Where is the link
I can follow to get the godhoods?

Also, if this is not one of the non-member secrets
of Mormonisms, can you tell me about “celestial s&x”.

I’ve read once I become a Mormonisms god, I will have
a Mormonisms goddess wife - or even multiple Mormonisms
goddesses - for, well, you know. Anyway, if you could
show me a link that gives some details, I would like
to read about that too! For sure! The links you give in
the post #1 do not cover becoming a Mormonisms god or
the other thing. I’m not sure why?

Thank you for posting this thread for us who are
interested in Mormonisms to learn the very
real stuff that is pretty much held secret from the
publics.

I am excited to learn more.

Very thankfully,

A More Perfect Unions

PS - Mr. PD, I had a very traumatic experience in 4th grade
of falling off a bicycle and hitting myself where it hurts.
Please tell me I do not have to ride a bicycle again, if I
become a Mormonisms.


56 posted on 12/23/2010 7:42:34 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Gamecock
I have a MS degree, course work in neurophysiology drove me closer to God. As I peered into the inner workings of neurons I realized it can’t all be from chance.

Same here.

My study if the sciences, physics, chemistry, biology, math only confirmed for me that fact that God not only exists, but he created this universe we live in.

The inter-connected order of the universe is what did it for me.

The idea that the world just came to be is laughable and further, it takes more faith to believe in the Theory of Evolution, than it does to believe in the concept that a Loving God created everything in this world.
57 posted on 12/24/2010 12:24:07 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Paragon Defender; ansel12
The best thing in my opinion is to merely give the lurker an option to find the truth. Arguing with an anti is pointless. Yes I do it anyway from time to time. I am weak.

True, because the Antis are simply providing the Truth via the foundational documents of your religion and the writings of the founders of your religion.

Arguing against the facts is usually fruitless.
58 posted on 12/24/2010 12:26:31 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: delacoert
Shalome!
59 posted on 12/24/2010 1:25:34 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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