Replies

I understand your point, but I'm not sure that you get mine, which is, according to the Catholic Church, we have a pretty firm view of what is objective reality in the moral, religious and spiritual spheres.

I fully acknowledge the truth of and the integrity behind this statement. Not offered with the motivation of correcting or persuading you (said in light of your previously expressed rejection of words coming from such a one as me - fine by me BTW). Instead, I offer this out of desire to openly express the meditations of my heart in response to your apparent condemnation.

Using your way of thinking, that those who reject objective reality and promote something different are lying - even if they believe what they say - I'd have to conclude, based on my own faith, that if one is in disagreement with what the Catholic Church teaches, then one is lying and is a liar.

I do not now nor have I `never offered rebuttal for such an interpretation or point of view expressed by Catholics in the Religion forum. I understand where it comes from and do not condemn it.

Do you mean that I “accept impunity” (whatever that means in this context) because I don't think that folks are lying when they believe things that aren't true?

No.` I chose a provocative phrase to counter what I perceive as a provocative position as you have chosen to express it.

Dear delacoert,

“I do not now nor have I `never offered rebuttal for such an interpretation or point of view expressed by Catholics in the Religion forum. I understand where it comes from and do not condemn it.”

Yeah, but the problem is, delacoert, I don't think that any Catholic I know, nor any in this forum, think that ANYONE is “lying” because he disagrees with Catholic teaching.

We think you're in ERROR. We think you're MISGUIDED. We think that you're IN DANGER OF GOING TO HELL.

But just for the offense of saying something that doesn't agree with Catholic teaching, we don't think you're lying.

We may say it's a lie if someone misrepresents what we believe, even after having been corrected numerous times.

But it's not a lie if you don't believe in Transubstantiation. Or the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Or the Trinity, for that matter (there are posters here on FR who consider themselves Christians who do not believe in the Trinity).

We think you're WRONG if you don't believe these things.

But not a liar telling lies.

“No.` I chose a provocative phrase to counter what I perceive as a provocative position as you have chosen to express it.”

I'm trying to show you the mirror of your view about the LDS as we Catholics might express it toward YOU, if we were to adopt a parallel view. In doing this, I'm not saying that we Catholics should think that non-Catholics/non-Orthodox are liars because they don't accept all our teachings or believe things that contradict our teachings. In fact, what I'm trying to do is to point out the ILLEGITIMACY of such a perspective.

No non-Catholic/non-Orthodox Christian is telling LIES (except, if one qualifies those lies as lies of Satan, or Luther, or Calvin, or Zwingli, or some other figure who further split off from the Church and from the sects that split off from the Church), nor is he a liar merely for professing his religious belief.

sitetest