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To: Stourme; Paragon Defender; Adam-ondi-Ahman; America always; Antonello; Arrowhead; asparagus
My wife and I used to donate money to Free Republic. It was only $50 here and there, as we could afford it, but we gave the money freely.

Then, the LDS bashing became 'en vogue' and Jim not only supported it, he joined in.

So, we have stopped donating money, and use this site primarily as a news source. Perhaps other's may chose to do the same.

Why would anyone donate money to a site that opts to attack their church? This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with stoking a precious few egos.

156 posted on 11/07/2010 8:19:06 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Pingaling, Jim. Looks like this poster has pinged the entire Mormon list, so this is not some isolated incident to be ignored. This poster is ‘inviting’ the rest of the Mormon contingency to ‘defund’ FreeRepublic because the Mormons are no more protected than the Catholics, or Methodists, or Presbyterians, or atheists, or anti-birthers, or God only knows whom when such a whine arises.


158 posted on 11/07/2010 8:58:30 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Hodar

So, we have stopped donating money, and use this site primarily as a news source.

Great, a self-admitted parasite with thin skin.


159 posted on 11/07/2010 9:02:09 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Hodar; Jim Robinson; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; ...
So, we have stopped donating money, and use this site primarily as a news source. Perhaps other's may chose to do the same.

Why would anyone donate money to a site that opts to attack their church? This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with stoking a precious few egos.

So, are you saying open debate in the Religion Forum upsets you to the point that you become a FREEloader on FReeRepublic? Nice!

I quite well remember the time when the mormons used FR as just another one of their proselytizing tools, without much rebuttal. Sorry you guys have to depend on the untold millions of dollars spent on PR firms, missionaries, the internet sites.

FR just isn't your recruiting tool anymore.

160 posted on 11/07/2010 9:25:30 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Hodar

LDSers threatening to bankrupt FR? Well, that’s never been tried before. /sarc

Thank you very much for the support you and your wonderful wife gave us in the past.

Hope you find what you’re desperately looking for.

Ask and ye shall receive.


183 posted on 11/07/2010 1:19:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Hodar
 
Why would anyone donate money to a site that opts to attack their church?
 
Boo hoo hoo!
 
I guess that I should repent in sackcloth and ashes for my 'poor treatment' of the very loving MORMONs!

 



  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

184 posted on 11/07/2010 1:20:56 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hodar

I agree with you Hodar it is so true sometimes I think I use this site therefore I should do something.

But as I ponder more and see more clearly that we are in phrase now where the Lord expects us to raise the bar in how we act and think and what we will tolerate in our lives.

So many talk about wanting to establish good principle yet many are not making an effort themselves to change their ways.

It seems they want to continue in their complacent ways while asking the God for help.

How can you ask God for help when many still are doing business as usual feeling they don’t need to practice in their lives the very things they desire the nation to rise too.

These correct principles only work when the effort is made by each of us.

They are not principles according to Tom, Dick, and Jane.

If one feels they can rule like a tyrant towards those shop at their store yet at the wants the Lord to ignore the boorish behavior.

For the life of me I am still trying to understand how one can use profane carnal language and not see how they are shooting themselves in the foot as yet in another breath asking God for help!


185 posted on 11/07/2010 1:21:29 PM PST by restornu
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To: Hodar
Then, the LDS bashing became 'en vogue' and Jim not only supported it, he joined in.

Send your money to MITT!

It was that idiot boy who CAUSED all the 'LDS bashing' on FR - with his MITTBOT's Praising The Man every chance they got while completely IGNORING his LIBERAL traits.

186 posted on 11/07/2010 1:22:34 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hodar
So, we have stopped donating money, and use this site primarily as a news source. Perhaps other's may chose to do the same.

Why would anyone donate money to a site that opts to attack their church? This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with stoking a precious few egos.

That's a pretty consistently active posting history for someone who claims to be using FR *primarily as a news source*.

How hypocritical.

You object it enough to withhold your support, and yet continue to FReepload and encourage others to do the same?

It reminds me of certain groups of immigrants who come to the US criticizing it the whole while.

If you don't like it here, leave already.

And that's just my own opinion. I do not say that as someone in authority to order you around (anticipating the usual *Who do you think you are telling me what to do?* reaction. Just a FReeper who has no use for hypocrites.

The preceding message is NOT Mormon bashing. Sorry to disappoint you.

212 posted on 11/07/2010 2:59:32 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Hodar
My wife and I used to donate money to Free Republic. It was only $50 here and there, as we could afford it, but we gave the money freely. Then, the LDS bashing became 'en vogue' and Jim not only supported it, he joined in. So, we have stopped donating money, and use this site primarily as a news source. Perhaps other's may chose to do the same. Why would anyone donate money to a site that opts to attack their church? This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with stoking a precious few egos.

Please tell Roy and Greg that everyone here says "hi".

237 posted on 11/07/2010 5:02:37 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Hodar

So disagreeing with your theology is attacking? Aren’t you ready to defend your faith? I always am.


352 posted on 11/08/2010 8:21:23 AM PST by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: Hodar

If you’re posting, you really ought to be paying. You can log off forever and still get your news here.


357 posted on 11/08/2010 8:29:52 AM PST by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: Hodar; Stourme; Paragon Defender; Adam-ondi-Ahman; America always; Antonello; Arrowhead; ...
Why would anyone donate money to a site that opts to attack their church? This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with stoking a precious few egos.

This is utter nonsense. It's like saying can't all religions just coexist. Well, no they can't-not unless you're willing to admit that the LDS is only one of many "true" religions. This is post-modernism at its finest.

As a Protestant Reformer, I'm happy to defend my faith and I appreciate Jim giving us this forum to do so. I'm also very grateful for others who would challenge me on my beliefs because it shows that they are thinking about what they believe and they cause me to think. We may not always agree, and many times don't, but it is through this interaction that we all grow to the knowledge of Christ.

If nothing else, you may wish to look upon the "bashing" as a time of persecution and count it as joy as the scriptures tells us. Isn't that time of rejoicing worth $50 bucks from time to time?

507 posted on 11/08/2010 4:59:10 PM PST by HarleyD
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