Posted on 11/05/2010 6:32:25 PM PDT by Colofornian
LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. ...I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil,...
It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, ...and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6).
LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being:
"It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290).
LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc.:
"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth:
"I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions...Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman" (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2).
LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:
"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64)
LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife:
"For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother" (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage, LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129).
LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father:
"...if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity,... they shall [have]...a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting,... Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,... and continuation of the lives,... [endless procreation of spirit children]" (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22)
LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood:
"Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith said:
"We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).
As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated:
"That vision [Joseph Smith's 1820 vision] taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel." [link]
Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed:
"The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being, challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son." [link]
LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god:
"We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'" (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431).
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What the Bible Says About God
1. ALWAYS GOD - in the past as well as in the future.
"Art thou not from ever-lasting, O Lord my God, mine Holy One?" Hab. 1:12
"For I am the Lord, I change not." Mal. 3:6
"...from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." Psa. 90:2
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent." Num. 23:19
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever." Rom. 1:22-25
The LDS god started as a finite man and progressed to godhood.
2. ALWAYS HOLY - Both in the past and future.
"...a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." Deut. 32:4
"I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee." Hos. 11:9
"The Lord is righteous in all his ways and holy in all his works." Psa. 145:17
"God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:5
"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness." Psa. 119:142
The LDS god achieved holiness.
3. ALL KNOWING - Both in the past and in the future.
"Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? ... There is no searching of his understanding." Isa. 40:13, 14, 28
"Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite." Psa. 147:5
The LDS god had to learn everything.
4. ALL POWERFUL
"The Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Rev. 19:6
"...his eternal power and Godhead." Rom. 1:20
The LDS god attained his power.
5. OMNIPRESENT
"The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; where is the house that ye build unto me: and where is the place of my rest?" Isa. 66:1
"Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord." Jer. 23:23-24
The LDS god can be in only one place at a time.
6. ACTED ALONE IN CREATION
"I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Isa. 44:24
"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Psa. 33:6
"Thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all." Neh. 9:6
The LDS god cooperated with the Council of Gods to create.
7. NO OTHER GODS
"I am he; before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." Isa. 43:10-11
"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God....is there a God beside me; yea, there is no God; I know not any." Isa. 44:6 & 8
"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?...for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." Isa. 46:5 & 9
"I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another." Isa. 42:8
The LDS God has a father and mother, grandparents, brothers and sisters, etc.
For a more in-depth discussion of the LDS view of God and man:
Mormonism and the Threefold Problem of Progression: Examining the LDS Doctrine of Eternal Progression in Light of the Bible, Philosophy, and Science
(Yeah, THE SON rose in the morning, too!)
And some think Mitt Romney and Glenn Beck are really smart people. Not in my book. Anybody so spiritually bereft as to fall for all that trash is dumb as a post...and they have no business leading this country anywhere. America needs to get back to its Christian roots.
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Yes let all run those trashy dumb Mormons out of our cities and towns they have no business to believe differently...
How dare they have a voice this is America no their kind is not welcome here...
Not in my book they have no business leading this country anywhere!
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Thanks, Resty...I haven't seen this site before...I'll look it over more in-depth to see if there's anything I can post from it...
Sorry to disappoint you, Stourme...but I've never picketed any church, let alone a Mormon one.
I think it's fine when people hand out tracts to Lds going into events, or coming out of events.
My relatives are Lds. And I don't think anybody outside an Lds meetinghouse should be yelling obscenities at them.
C'mon Resty. 'Tis a difference 'tween voting for POTUS and your local dog catcher.
Mitt will follow Beck's lead....jump in front of the Tea Party parade and call himself the leader, now that it's a proven force. Wait for it.
All the while, his henchmen will be stabbing Palin and any other conservative candidate in the back.
Good point.
***Check wikipedia. Some Peruvian farmer admitted to forging them using a drill and cow dung.***
Some Peruvian also faked a bunch of stones showing ancient Indians doing heart surgery, looking at the stars with telescopes and such. Eric Von Danegan tried to pass them of as real in one of his “Chariots of the Gods” books.
***I think it’s fine when people hand out tracts to Lds going into events, or coming out of events.***
Many years ago “Granny Geer” came and spoke here. The autos were plastered with flyers about her, even those at the Mormon church.
Then out came two mormon men and removed all the flyers from the autos.
During her speech, which was really interesting, the only altercation was when she said something derogatory about MASONRY! One old Mason man bellyached real loud and got up and left. This area is a strong MASONRY area.
What cheese do you prefer with your usual whine?
When you think about it more their are to many F words spewed on FR for the Light of Chist let alone for the Holy Spirit to ever be welcome.....
are we not asking the Lord to help us to restore this nation and it is going to take the light of Christ to do it.
You tell me how is that going to happen when this place is layden with F words?
When the antis have Carte Blancheto trash any church let along the LDS Church!
There are NO Principle here only lip service!
Correction
When you think about it more, there are to many F words spewed on FR for the Light of Christ let alone for the Holy Spirit to ever be welcome.....
are we not asking the Lord to help us to restore this nation and it is going to take the light of Christ to do it.
You tell me how is that going to happen when this place is layen with F words?
When the antis have Carte Blanche to trash any church let even the LDS Church!
There are no principles here only lip service
what 'f' words resty - there are absolutely none in this thread and only an oblique reference to 'obscenities' (which by mormon definition is anything that challenges their religion). So what board ARE you reading resty.
When the antis have Carte Blancheto trash any church let along the LDS Church!
and mormons can continue to call all other churches the 'whore of babylon'. I'll try to bring some cheese next time for your whine.
The sin of Cain was murder — the shedding of innocent blood. Not sure how you equate that with LDS teachings.
The goal of devout Mormons is to serve and worship God — quite the opposite of what Satan does.
The goal of Latter-day Saints is to follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ, which is certainly not the same as following the devil.
Strange but true. It is one of those strange cognitive dissonances on the surface of observation. They are trained to pridefully exude behavioral superiority while simultaneously hiding their core beliefs which are full of apostasy - a lesson in satanic deception.
LDS teaches you that you too can be like Cain and bring your works as an offering you count as worhty for God's Grace to then be applied to your soul. THAT IS THE SIN OF CAIN. I am not surprised that you are blind to this Truth in Genesis. Your religion teaches 'after all that you can do' ... it didn't work for Cain and it won't work for you, Norm, even as you feign ignorance regarding the sin of Cain.
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