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To: restornu; Jim Robinson
So why are you here? When no one would pay attention to your daily LDS affirmation posts, you found a way to ramp up your hate speech and get noticed. And a few loud-mouth semi-literate in Momronism apologists joined in to make LDS inc threads lengthy debate threads. You seemed happy with the impasse those threads reached, but now that real indepth study of Mormonism by a few Inmans has resulted in sound opposition and exposure of the heresies at the dark heart of Mormonism you are upset with FreeRepublic. Perhaps you should take this up with the man whose site you choose to insult. I've sent to him a ping, since I doubt he bothers with LDS inc threads unless he's on duty as moderator. If you're so inclined to infer that “F” bombs are being tossed around on LDS threads—which of course you have zero proof of since it doesn't happen—why do you spend so much time on these threads offering so vacuous responses?
56 posted on 11/06/2010 10:01:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

[MHGinTN] . You stop striving and trust Jesus to be at that instant your Redeemer,

 

[Stourme]

This doctrine of instant salvation is ridiculous when it's compared to whole of the new testament.

Having the Holy Ghost in you is not an indication of salvation. It's a start. It is not the final event.

What the Lord is teaching is a guiding principle. It's not a simple summation like 1 + 1 = 2. It's a course navigation.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The doctrine of instant salvation ignores all the scriptures that show in quite plain text that there are qualifications for salvation beyond just believing. It's the pattern of God. Noah was not saved from the flood by just believing. Moses didn't lead the Israelites to freedom just by believing. The Israelites weren't cured and healed by just believing.

James himself says:

The first mark of a man made gospel is one that doesn't require constant prayer to our Father in Heaven. They say "believe our interpretation of the Bible because we say so."

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

We are saved by the grace of Christ. Christ has put qualifications on who will receive that grace.

Anyone that doesn't teach what James and John taught are teaching false doctrine.

91 posted on 11/06/2010 3:46:46 PM PDT by Stourme ((www.thebayougardener.com - my favorite website))
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