Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
I do not have another account here, and have not attempted to deceive anyone. Your little cabal is disgusting.
I'm sorry you're not Christians, but that's what happens when say God hates. Your sola scriptura approach to the Bible disqualifies you from being a Christian. You can't take the Old Testament and treat it literally. You cut yourself off from Christ. Christ is Love not hate. Now deal with that, and leave me alone. Stop with the personal attacks.
What - you think that Paul is loony, too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church
“Catholic Christianity was legalized in 313 under Constantine’s Edict of Milan,[36] and declared the state religion of the Empire in 380.[37] After its legalization, a number of doctrinal disputes led to the calling of ecumenical councils. The doctrinal formulations resulting from these ecumenical councils were pivotal in the history of Christianity.[38]
The first seven Ecumenical Councils, from the First Council of Nicaea (325) to the Second Council of Nicaea (787), sought to reach an orthodox consensus and to establish a unified Christendom.”
Islam began about 622 AD.
Luther posted his 95 Theses on June 15, 1520.
The wiki link provides an interesting overview of the history of the Catholic church. The Catholic church hardly has any kind of unified history. They’re all over the map for centuries, just as they criticize Protestants for doing.
The wiki link provides an interesting overview of the history of the Catholic church. The Catholic church hardly has any kind of unified history. They’re all over the map for centuries, just as they criticize Protestants for doing.
INDEED.
So, you are taking this passage to mean that a true Christian must suffer for their sins? Jesus said we are to take up our cross and follow him he does not say in taking up this "cross" we are to suffer for our sins. If that were the case, just what did he suffer on the cross for? We are certainly told to put him before all else, we are told to not hold back anything from him, nor to allow anyone else to hold us back from following him and that is what we are doing exactly when we by faith trust in him as Lord and Savior. We are giving over our lives to his hands and surrendering to his will for us. How better could Jesus have put it?
What has happened over the years is Christians do not experience the kind of suffering that the early church did. Most of us have no idea what true persecution is. We roll up in a ball and cry for mommy whenever somebody says something to us in disagreement, or calls us a name or rejects our company just because we claim the mantle of Christian. In times past, some people, afraid they weren't suffering enough, committed self-mutilation or caused themselves intentional discomfort all so that they could appear pious or so that God would see they really were suffering for Christ. I look at that kind of behavior and can only imagine God shaking his head at that total misunderstanding of what he was actually talking about.
I really do sorrow over people who think like that because it tells me that they have no idea of the joy and love God wants for his children and they miss out on so much of the goodness of him and the easy yoke and light burden that Jesus promises those who follow him. They are easy and light because he is there with us helping us carry it and not behind us in the cart with the whip.
Okay, Pal. You got me. I'm really also the FReeper named 'Cool Breeze' too. I really do have multiple accounts. I'm so busted. You're a genius. How'd you figure out, Scooby? I would have gotten away with it all too if it weren't for those meddling kids!
"A beloved FReeper"? Psshhh... You make her sound like the family cat your neighbor accidently ran over.
Absolutely not. As a Catholic I venerate St. Paul. I do, however, resent the gross misrepresentation of his works and the commandeering of his message and personae to make of him something he would never have claimed for himself. He has become a Protestant puppet and Judas goat.
You know what, you are anything but Cool. Mouthing off about a freeper and making reference to a dead cat is the bottom of the barrel - nothing cool about that.
If could give a flip if you had 50 accounts - the same garbage would come from each one.
A "deliberately dishonest "AKA" tag line"? XD What is THAT? Look... the ENTIRE WORLD is NOT 'sola scriptura'!!!
What's "sola scriptura" got to do with your nickname? Why'd you drag that into it?
But sure. Cool Breeze is such a common nickname.....
Everyone knows one.
Right?
I'm sorry you're not Christians, but that's what happens when say God hates. Your sola scriptura approach to the Bible disqualifies you from being a Christian. You can't take the Old Testament and treat it literally. You cut yourself off from Christ. Christ is Love not hate. Now deal with that, and leave me alone. Stop with the personal attacks.
Matthew 11:20-24 20 Then he began to denounce the cities where most of his mighty works had been done, because they did not repent. 21 "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I tell you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you. 23And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you."
Matthew 23:27 & 28 27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. 28So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Jesus is indeed love, but that doesn't mean that all He ever said were nice things to people that they wanted to hear. Don't forget that He drove the money changers out of the Temple with a whip twice, too.
We aren't going to be manipulated into changing our behavior by your accusations. If you think that we're just going to melt down and capitulate because you accuse of of *not being Christians*, you have another thing coming. We aren't so worried about what you think of us or your opinion of us that we're going to change just to make you happy.
Stop with the personal attacks.
We did stop. Why'd YOU bring it up again (post 3709)?
That’s honest, and brave, Mark.
I am sorry, but I get the impression that the word "holy" has been used so frequently and so inappropriately that it has lost its real meaning. Holy means sanctified, set apart, consecrated, sacred, dedicated, devoted to and hallowed. God is Holy and only he can make us holy (Lev. 20:8). The righteousness that he requires for us to dwell with him for eternity is not something we can ever merit or earn but is imputed to us by his grace through faith. Our good works are a testament to others of the new nature that has been born within us and it comes from his very own spirit. These works do not cause the sanctification or holiness they are proof of his working within us. The blood of Christ alone sanctifies us, makes us holy in his sight.
On the contrary, we can't be holy WITH them. All our righteousness is as filthy rags in God's sight.
Matthew 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Our works will NEVER qualify us for heaven. That's why Christ had to die, so that His works could be credited to our account and we'd be the righteousness of God in Christ.
Amen!!!
No I don't.
Or since it's considered a miracle like the others that you appear to dismiss, do you write that off as *magic* as well?
Yes.
If the miracles in the Bible are all magic as your posts indicate you conclude they are, why go to mass? Isn't it then just a magic show?
To me it is. But believers go to mass to receive sacraments. Believers also pray to God believing God hears them and listens to them. If you can believe in Incarnation and Resurrection, and that Jesus fed a multitude with a few fish, what stops you from believing the Holy Spirit (not the priest) changes the bread to the body and the wine to the blood of Christ?
Apparently some don't know the difference, Mark. Bird babble or human conversation is all the same to them. Pretty telling, don't you think?
I must say, Mark, your take on things is sometimes quite unique! You say it doesn't say they were believers. But it does. It says they said, "Lord, Lord...we did these mighty works in your name...". They sure thought they believed in God. But you are correct in your assessment that they were in for themselves, yet that describes all people who do good deeds in order to get something in return. In this case they expected heaven. Isn't that what your religion teaches you?
You claim that those who say they are "saved" are in a way "pre-judging" themselves and usurping Jesus, yet doesn't Scripture say many times that we can know we have eternal life? For example, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.", that sure sounds like an assurance to me. I think what is happening here is, since you believe that your eternal destiny is based on how good you are, you don't think you can ever really be sure about where you will go when you die because, well, you're not dead yet and who knows what kind of mischief you might be overwhelmingly tempted into until now and then, right?
You are angry at the "self-described saved of this era" because you think they (me) somehow think we have attained the perfection of ourselves that is required for the eternal beatific vision. Am I right? Yet, we haven't in any way ever said that and if someone does say that they are quite wrong. None of us can go to heaven because of our good deeds no matter how much suffering or self-sacrifice we endure. No amount of manmade goodness or merit could ever take the place of the perfection that the blood of Christ imparts upon the believer. That is the awesome and amazing thing about grace. We do not deserve what we get and do not get what we deserve.
So the next time you start thinking us self-described saved people are just bragging on ourselves, stop and think about what we are really saying, that we are falling upon the grace and mercy of the most high God who loved us so much he provided a way for us to be with him forever. We aren't bragging.
And may I just say it, too. I just LOVE you Alex Murphy!!! :o)
In Alex’s defense, he only pinged Judith Anne because he was referencing things Roman Catholics had to say about the writings of Paul and their importance in Scripture. The poster had said, “Without the letters of Paul the Gospels would still be all that is necessary for Salvation. Without the Gospels, the letters of Paul are empty and meaningless.” Alex responded with two posts where Catholics were expressing their dislike and distrust of Paul. It was correct, I thought, for him to ping the parties who had made those posts since he linked to them as proof.
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