Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
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Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about: |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. |
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"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: |
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"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. |
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"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) |
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The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. |
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"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) |
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"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. |
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"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine |
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Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. |
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"..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. |
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"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) |
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"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. |
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For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. |
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For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. |
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They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. |
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Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. |
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For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land. |
Article of Faith #2 -
We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression. [Which really wasn’t a trangression, it was more of a ‘fall up’ and a good thing because God gave them a choice they couldn’t really make since they couldn’t have sex and procreate without sinning even though God commanded them to in the first place so since God ‘set them up’ it really wasn’t a sin at all. Also, we believe that we really aren’t ‘punished’ for sin, rather we just go to a temporary Hell called ‘spirit prison’ until we progress enough to get to one of the levels of Heaven no matter how bad we are, including Hitler and Charles Manson]
Words such as "false" "wrong" "misleading" do not attribute motive and are therefore not "making it personal."
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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[MTGinTN squirms] In the Greek reading of Luke 2:52, the rendering indicates that the |
[Stourme chuckles ]
The inerrant Bible is inerrant right up to the point where it refutes evangelical, modern christian, anti-Mormon beliefs...
Then whoa!! Can't have any of that now, we gotta find another translation in another language...gotta find something somewhere that sounds more like what we want it to sound like because we can't possibly be wrong...
Nope. I believe God has the power to speak to me in my language.
Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
That's very clear to me. And it fits perfectly into the plan of salvation.
Jesus Christ was/is our great example in this life. He came to earth and experienced everything we do.
Luke 2:52 fits perfectly with Luke 3:22.
Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Jesus increased in favour with God as He went about doing His Father's business. God parted the vail and said from heaven, Thou art my beloved Son, in thee I am well pleased.
When someone states a faslehood, and knows they are stating a flasehood, what word would you use to describe such an action?
When someone states a falsehood, and knows they are stating a falsehood, what word would you use to describe such an action?
While Jesus walked among us, was the Holy Spirit indwelling Him?
Hi MHG,
I’m glad you had a good association with the young elders in Alabama. I was a missionary like that once and it was always nice when people were kind and would share food and drink with us.
Normandy
Mind reading is not allowed. However, you could say “for the umpteenth time, no, that is false” or “again, you mislead by saying...” and not be mind reading.
Thank you for the correcting me.
Glenn Beck and I are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. You have said that Mormons are not Christians and that Mormons are members of a cult. Therefore, by your definition Glenn Beck and I are not Christians and are, according to you, members of a cult. It follows, then, that you believe that Glenn Beck and I are bound for hell in a hand basket.
Which makes me so very grateful to be a Mormon. Whew!
Then why would Jesus Christ tell you one thing and millions of others something else. I don’t believe Christ is your witness, I believe it is a demon masquarading as the Holy Spirit. Why? Because the Holy Spirit will not testify to a lie or anything contradictory to the Bible and Mormonism is contradictory to the Bible. One of us is wrong. My faith aligns with the Bible so it isn’t me.
And according to D&C 129 you are supposed to TEST spirits by shaking their hand. Did you do that? I doubt it.
The Bible is clear, there will be false gospels and false Christs and they don’t save. Mormonism, according to the Bible is a false Gospel. You cannot be a TBM and be saved, it is mutually exclusive because the LDS require you to put your faith in their CHURCH rather than in Christ alone. So, it isn’t scary for me, it is Biblical truth.
It’s not that *I* am right, it is that the Bible is. Repent of Mormonism, Sandy, while you still have time. Otherwise, the Bible is clear on the consequences as well.
“Glenn Beck is in a cult, he is trapped in your cult.”
Really? Hmmmmm. I wonder why God is using Glenn Beck as a voice crying in the wilderness warning America to come back to Him and to the principles of “faith, hope and charity.” It seems strange that a cult member could be so effective.
So . . . according to you approximately half a million ignorant fools showed up on 8/28 at the Lincoln Memorial in DC to listen to a cult member spew evil lies.
Good luck with that.
As to whether you are bound for Hell in a handbasket, well, as the Bible clearly teaches, if such is one's fate, it will be rejection of Jesus that sends one there. It is my earnest desire that neither you nor Glenn have such an end in store. Now, if you're trusting in the jesus of Mormonism as characterized by your Mormon teachers and founder, then all bets are off, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.
Look up the story of Nanman in the Old Testament, if you think God using Glenn would be so strange. Or you might want to consult that story about Balaam’s donkey. God chooses the vessels He uses, without consulting me.
Oops, spelling error. Make that Naaman, and you’ll find the story in 2Kings, about chapter five, IIRC.
I know where I put my trust, (Norm)
In Joseph Smith and his church. Yeah, we know.
Saundra, are you angry? Do you know the term ‘strawman’? Do you know what the phrase ‘spurious assertion’ means? Are you familiar with the tactic of trying to put words in other’s mouths?
“I have not said that Glenn Beck is not a Christian. “
What?!! You have said that Mormons are not Christians and that we are cult members. The anti Mormons here have staked their reputations and lives on it. Glenn Beck is a Mormon but now you’re not sure if he’s a going-to-hell non believer. I don’t get it. You can’t have it both ways.
Either we Mormons are all going to hell or we’re not. I don’t think it’s much fun to be you.
“Do you know what the phrase ‘spurious assertion’ means? “
Oh, you mean like the Gadianton robbers with their secret combinations? Yep I have heard of that.
By the way, when I go to bed at night, I am not fretting over who’s going to hell and who’s not. I figure that’s Heavenly Father’s business and He is the Only One who has it all figured out.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Good night, sweet princes and princesses.
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