Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
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Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about: |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. |
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"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: |
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"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. |
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"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) |
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The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. |
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"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) |
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"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. |
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"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine |
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Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. |
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"..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. |
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"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) |
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"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. |
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For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. |
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For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. |
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They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. |
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Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. |
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For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land. |
TN,
Quick, your computer must have the White Horse Prophecy Mormon Virus. It keeps posting the same thing over and over and over and over. Same virus Paragon nonDefender seems to have, come to think of it. :-)
Uh oh, MadRepublican.
As your FREEPER posts' technician, these symptoms can only mean one thing.
Do you want the good news first or the bad news?
The bad news? (OK)
The bad news is that your posts have Paragon Defenders 'IMLegion-of-the-air' disease
They are all void of actually addressing what's being said.
Meaning they are all devoid of relevant content.
Meaning they are empty.
Meaning they are straw man arguments.
Meaning these arguments are being embodied -- or possessed -- by viral spirits known as 'IMLegion-of-the-air'
You want the good news now?
MadRepublican, you're not Paragon Defender!
At least. Maybe not. Or maybe not yet.
So, since your jesus is not the same God as your "father"...you worship two gods???? jesus + Elohim?
How do you square that with either the Bible or most of Mormon "scripture" about worshiping one God?
And since Mormon 7:7 says to worship the Holy Ghost, do you honor Mormon 7:7 -- or disregard that supposedly "sacred" "scripture?"
Words such as "false" "wrong" "error" "misrepresented" do not attribute motive.
Also, do not make the thread about individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
What was it my friend said the other day?
Oh yeah... You provide Logical Fallacy of a False Dilemma.
If we don’t want them to look into it, why do I, as a so called “anti” duplicate your posts for you, and why do we as a group not only fully support your links but use then in our own citations when we, unlike you, actually substantiate what we say?
Hum...
If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There’s a group of cultists, known as mormons. While you cannot see the magic underwear they wear as they type their posts, it (apparently) gives them powers to obfuscate and demean others with generalities, while avoiding ever giving a factual answer.
Beware their links to the perverted and historically condemned doctrines of demons - mormonism.
Many of us here are Christians, who believe the Bible, and consequently are posting to expose these perversions of the Scriptures and of the person of Christ. It turns out that cultists do not appreciate it when someone invalidates their experience.
Beware their attempts to style themselves as Christians, while denying the Church, the Savior, in fact, God, and making Them into a created things.
Beware their strawman arguments.
Beware their attempts to generalize while avoiding any:
...Facts
...Evidence
...Logical reasoning
They often try to portray Christians who are fulfilling the commands to expose evil as “bashers” or “anti-mormons”. This is convenient for them, but false.
Cute, mildly clever and completely false.
We LDS believe there is perfect unity and oneness in the Godhead with each member united in love, purpose, knowledge and wisdom — but that each member being a separate individual.
Jesus showed that the oneness was not a physical one when he prayed:
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
Obviously the disciples were not going to become merged together into the same being as the Father and the Son — rather, they would become of one heart and mind — in perfect harmony with Jesus and his Father.
So take a mature Christian couple whose united in love, purpose -- and have been blessed by God with knowledge and wisdom. Plus, unlike God, they are physically one. So you're telling me that such a couple is more "one" than the Mormon godhead? Really? They are more unified because they are more multi-dimensionally one than the Mormon godhead?
(Ya can't have it both ways, Normandy. Mormons can't stubbornly insist upon and emphasis the "Godhead's" diversity and then, when challenged as I've just done, insist upon overwhelming unity...otherwise...there's not really many distinctions left between your godhead and the Trinity, which Mormon leaders have condemned as heresy)
Or the simpler explanation is that Mormon information such as you post and we very often quote from, when dealt with rationally and without undue influence, is a “slam dunk” against Mormonism itself.
And since you have yet to prove or demonstrate by any means the “misrepresentation” or the “strawman”, well again when dealt with rationally it too is a “slam dunk” and does us much good.
So please continue, dozens of completely empty accusatory posts build a great case against Mormonism as well.
Prove it.
To get a Nerd Score of 99, one MUST have been a software writer analyst who had Sea Monkeys as a child; thinks Mensa costs way too much, rides a recumbent with a removable GPS system on it; knows π to 20 places and now, at night, in God's Country, checks for globular clusters with a 16" Ritchey-Chretien, while living off grid on the income from 47 patents!
What TBM would WANT their tingley parts covered by something a GENTILE had touched anyway!
Oh yeah... You provide Logical Fallacy of a False Dilemma.
I would say "prove it" again but since MHG documented their work for information available on the Mormon sources you provide you lost that one before you could even type the "W" in what...
Now make your cute "no I didn't" post and run on...
THIS one probably has no TR...
http://www.myspace.com/utahforobama
And, having been there, garments are NOT a reminder to ‘keep chaste’, they are a reminder of BLOOD OATHS taken in the Temple.
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Temple Recommend Questions
13 If you have previously received your temple endowment: Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple? Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple? |
Good luck with this!
Tell us, PD, just ONE 'truth' that any of your links contain, that is NOT found, already, in the BIBLE?
I didn’t say ALL Mormons...quit twisting my words. It was a broad-based statement, and you know it. Obama had a larger base of support from Catholics and evangelicals than Mormons, period. As for Mormons? I have said for YEARS that I believe that Joseph Smith found the golden plates about twenty minutes after he found the golden mushrooms...but I am not going to spend every waking minute of my life persecuting them. It is no wonder so many people have a low opinion of ‘Christians’. Narrow is the way, and all that...
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