Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
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Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about: |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. |
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"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: |
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"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. |
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"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) |
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The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. |
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"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) |
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"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. |
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"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine |
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Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. |
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"..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. |
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"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) |
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"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. |
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For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. |
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For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. |
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They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. |
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Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. |
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For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land. |
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[ ejonesie22 half states]
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[Stourme calls out]
Again we see the tactics of the Mormon haters. Half truths, lies, and inuendo. No context given just drama, "Oh noes Josepsh Smith created an army!!11".
It never ends with these people.
In 1839, Joseph Smith relocated his followers—the Mormons—from a hostile environment in Missouri to Commerce, Illinois which he renamed Nauvoo. Voter-conscious Illinois Democrats and Whigs (including Abraham Lincoln) passed a bipartisan city-state charter for Nauvoo in 1840. On December 16 the governor signed it into law, granting Smith and the city of Nauvoo broad powers. Among these was the authority to create a "body of independent militarymen." This force was a militia similar to others in Illinois, and it became known as the "Nauvoo Legion". At its peak, the militia had, by conservative estimates, at least 2,500 troops, in comparison to the approximately 8,500 troops within the entire United States Army as of 1845
The Nauvoo Legion was a militia originally organized by the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) to defend the city of Nauvoo, Illinois.
[ ejonesie22 bemoans] They will paint anything in a light of victim hood. It works on the weak and misinformed. We get called lots of things, we get used to it, expect it, embrace it.
[Stourme calls out]
Anti-Mormons painting themselves in the light of victim hood...mmkay. You poor poor martyrs. /grouphug
It works on the weak and misinformed, btw.
I have distant relatives in Utah whose ancestors converted to Mormonism and were run out of town in the 1800’s. The majority of the family didn’t and remained here. It always struck me as kind of cruel, but with such sabre-rattling I suppose I understand to some degree.
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[ Tennessee Nana hisses] Is there some slaughter of non-Mormons that is supposed to occur? In a way yes.. |
[Stourme calls out]
Another anti-Mormon bold faced lie. No, we Mormons are not plotting to kill you. Or anyone else.
How despicable can you get...
along with his 5,000 strong personal vigilante army of Danites, (cutthroats, etc) in Nauvoo in contrast to the only 8,500 strong United States army..
Every man in Nauvoo was enlisted in his army ...
there were 12,000 people in Nauvoo in 1840..it was 3X the size of Chicago..4470
There were 476,183 in the state of Illinois in 1840..
Joey Smith also petitioned Congress for permission to raise up his own 100,000 strong army..
The population in the US at the time was 17,069,453, with
He was turned down...
Oh noez..
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Wonder why ???
Now just WHY did Joey Smith need an army 1/4 the size of the state of Illinois ???
Any priesthood holder guesses ???
Its always heck on your nerves when the ugly truth of mo0rmonism is exposed...
Here have a beer and calm down...
I can only speak to my own family experiences in this regard. In the highly charged decades leading up to the Civil War, in the American South, with the likes of John Brown abroad in the country, such a statement as “Joseph Smith or the sword” certainly would be taken literally, and actions in Missouri and Illinois did little to allay that fear. So, to call it anti-Mormon and a baldfaced lie is not quite honest in and of itself.
You’re entitled to believe as you believe, I’ll support you wholeheartedly, and certainly expect you to reciprocate in kind. But, when your belief begins to encroach upon mine, there will be a problem. Live and let live, act to maintain as close a form of Godly governance as possible, while permitting the exercise of free will. That’s the American way, a way that allowed my ancestors to believe and worship as they saw fit, and allowed some of their descendants to establish a haven for themselves in Utah, to believe and to worship as they in turn saw fit.
Yes, there was ugliness in between. Don’t whitewash it, it’s too well documented and attempting to do so makes you appear a propagandist at best, to me at least. Deal in the truth. Mormons weren’t treated well at all by their countrymen, and there is shame in that. But, there were reasons for that poor treatment, that may appear not so serious in a modern light, that were regarded as quite serious at the time. There’s more than enough blame to go around. We’ve long since come to a truce and are on the same side, here.
Hey, there's some linkages to canonization I don't like...having a pet saint for example for the all the archers in the world. Or the off-shoot of praying to a saint.
I don't defend that. But since the word "canonization" simply means confirming people who were saints, are you going to be consistent here in what provokes you?
Surely you know what the term adiaphora (adiaphoron, plural) means? It's those things church bodies do that are neither commanded nor forbidden in Scripture. (And you can't tell me adiaphoron is limited to the RC church).
Examples:
* choir robes in church? Not in scripture (are you going to condemn those, too? If not, why not?)
* "When Anglican and Episcopal bishops are ordained, they are given symbols of their office: a large cross to wear on the chest, a ring, a chasuble (large outer cape), a miter (a large pointed hat) and a crosier (a staff shaped like a shepherd’s crook)." Source: http://wordalone.org/pdf/studyguide-discussion-questions.pdf
So are you going to condemn all those non-Scriptural things, too?
Lord’s Table: turning the bread and wine into the ACTUAL BODY AND BLOOD of Christ...not in Scripture.
I agree. But Christ's presence is still there in the bread and wine, right? If you look back over my two posts on this matter in this thread, all I did was point out that the RC aren't the only ones off-base to some degree on how the Lord's Supper is treated.
In fact, here, let me broaden it to another sacrament, baptism:
"Ordinance" connected with baptism: Not in scripture.
So, are you going to be consistent and condemn the churches that describe baptism as an "ordinance?"
Purgatory: not in Scripture
Never said it was. I disagree with purgatory as a teaching.
But, again, I was only contrasting and comparing on some of these things (like how it stacks up vs. baptism of the dead...in terms of degrees of measurement about how far the teachings were "off" from the Bible).
Sorry this is just too much for me today. I'm switching to Vodka. Lightweight posers with ego graphics and cool trite statements....what a trip! LOL Hey Elsie, can you draw boxes yet? Besides I'm working on fettuccini in butter garlic with a fine tender pork chop.
We will leave the martyrdom to your “prophet” thanks..
People don't embrace things if they feel they are victims there Storume...
The last thing any so called “anti” feels like is a victim. Comes from having the truth behind you time and time again.
For instance you paint a wonderful Mormon History based picture of the Nauvoo Legion. We can quibble over the numbers, you have “conservative” numbers of AT LEAST 2500, I say 5000 and have seen that number at least once in a Robert Millet talk I read so I will gladly say anywhere in that 2500-5000 range is a good bet. As it is the US army at that time period was from 7000-9000 men depending on the year so I average 7500 for the era.
But the question would become why would a prophet of god make himself a general, feel he need an army to defend Nauvoo against the neighbors he loved and while you are teaching us about the wonderful Legion share with us its role in the fortunately mostly peaceful “Utah War” against the US Army and its Southern Utah Battalion's role in the Mountain Meadow massacre among other issues....
No I’m sorry
You misunderstood
It’s stormy who needs the beer...
Give beer to those who are perishing...Proverbs 31:6
I thought you knew where the good beer was
Thats why I PINGed you...
Another anti-Mormon bold faced lie. No, we Mormons are not plotting to kill you. Or anyone else. [Stourme]
Yeah, as far as we know, the threats were yesteryear: A high number of Mormons had temple-access parents alive in 1926. Many Mormons at that time promised to fulfill the following Oath of Vengeance in the temple ceremony:
You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation. Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2335353/posts
Hey, why would the future Mormons want to commit mass murder, anyway, when outright slavery at least takes advantage of free labor?
What do I mean? LDS apostle Orson Hyde: “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)
And don’t forget the nice red Zinfandel.
Come on down!
Sorry I don’t know the scriptures. I do know perishing though and the posing idiot has perished from raw stupidity.
I have a bit of good beer here too.
I thought I remembered you posting pics of beer in the past
:)
Tuborg and Carlsberg in Copenhagen was wonderful. So were the Danish girls! Ahhh, wish I could go back fifty years.
Great job, Nana!
I am not suffering in the least though, just pulled two of my prize Boston butts off a 19 hour smoke and pulling them now for a church lunch tomorrow.
Sampling as I go of course.
Not saying there isn't more to learn about - just that I am VERY well read.
The direct occult manipulation was new to me, however.
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