Posted on 09/18/2010 8:26:32 PM PDT by markomalley
Sounds like he thinks the one I live in is "past tense". I think he is mistaken, it still exists.
And the last time I looked this is still Texas where I live.
Disagree with this.
Catholic church is helping illegals — legal help, shelter, jobs, etc. This is the church growth plan for the future. 20 million illegals/Catholics here. That’s a huge population and with high birth rates it’ll assure expansion over the next few decades.
“past prejudices”? No, it is called wrong doctrine. That is what America was fighting, we still do.
You're certainly free to think and say what you like, but you ought to know that this comment belies an embarrassing ignorance of history, leaving aside all doctrinal confusion.
You could google up "Know Nothing Party," for starters.
Yeah, that's a really appropriate name, come to think of it.
Perhaps you haven't noticed but the world has changed.
Yep, some of the world has changed. Certainly since the Won who resides at 1600 Penn. Ave. was corronated.
But this is not my first exposure to cretin who espose “liberation theology”. My first exposure was in NM back in the early-1980’s. It was little different from that preached by Obozo’s Rev. Wright, except his was “Black liberation theology”. Both are basically Marxism in a thin religious wrapper.
I expect a big flushing sound on Nov. 2 for those cretin. Some of them will survive (floaters are hard to flush), but many will vanish down the drain of history.
The November Tsunami approaches.
Overall, this is fairly well written and reasoned out, althought the author falls prey to America’s own little creation myth in citing so much Puritan influence, when in fact the government of Viriginia was well established over a decade prior. These were no Puritans. They were Anglican.
Second, the author either fails to notice or deliberately glosses over another key influencing trend during the 1870 - 1930 era cited as being the source of a putative American “falling away” from Christian faith of the Protestant variety. One needn’t look too far or too hard to understand that this corresponds almost precisely with the waves of ... Catholic immigration.
It also coincides with the explosion of overweening, intrusive government made possible by the Federal leviathan having run roughshod over the Constitution during the so-called Civil War, and most especially doing so in the Reconstruction era. These things did not occur in a vacuum, and occurred to the dismay and frequent resistance of the descendants of Old Virginia and the south in general, among whom the Christian faith remains much stronger than in the population as a whole.
“Wrong doctrine”????
“Love one another as Christ has loved you.”
God created all men........I don’t see prejudice on God’s part. Hmmmmm.
The Puritans were Anglicans trying to purify the church of England, which is why they were called “Puritans”. The Pilgrims were separatist (independent of the C of E) congregationalists. In time, the Pilgrims led the New England Puritans to become “Congrgationalists.” But, originally, the Puritans were Anglican. BTW, at the time the Anglicans had a reformed confession of faith. Consequently, most of the difference between Episcopalians/Anglicans and Congregationalists was in the area of ecclesiology.
Overall, the reformed Christians in New England - many of them Puritans - had more influence culturally in the formation of the country than Anglicans. The lines of influence were somewhat blurred, however, because they shared so much theology.
The cultural heritage of America and particularly the religious freedom attained by disestablishing State Churches is rightly attributed to the many Protestant groups persecuted by Puritans, Anglicans and to some extent Congregationalists. Scotch-Irish Presbyterians, Baptists, Lutherans, Dutch Reformed, Moravians and others.
Referring historically to the Puritan groups, the first of which accidentally blundered into Cape Cod and landed at Plymouth due to a navigational error while on their way to their land patent from, yes, The London Company in Viriginia, as the founding group of this people and this nation is nothing but sanitized myth, popularized during and after the Civil War to strip the southern states of their role in the nation’s heritage.
For every so-called intellectual, moral or religious heir of New England Puritans, there are two or more of Virginia and her descendants in other States. The Bill Of Rights, guaranteeing religious freedom, is modelled after that of Virginia, penned by Founder George Mason. Mason was tremendously influential in his era, regarded as perhaps the most necessary man among our Founders, the intellectual equal or better of any one of them.
Mason risked his personal reputation and lost friends such as fellow Virginian and neighbor George Washington, over his refusal to put his hand to the Constitution, precisely because it provided no bill of rights. He did not sign, he walked out. James Madison, Virginian as well, attempted to heal the rift, and the very first Amendment was immediately proposed in deference to Mason.
Not a New England Puritan in the lot. Some New England States retained their State Church into the 1800’s. Southern ones including Virginia largely disestablished theirs prior to ratification of the Constitution, under the Articles Of Confederation.
Yep, both 2010 and 2012 will be history making indeed!
It was inevitable that the Protestant energy that created America’s greatness would be spent at some point, and now it has. For the past 50 years or so America cannot be described as Protestant country. It has become a country where many Protestants live.
To us Catholics it means two things. First, while our dispute with the Protestants is doctrinal, our dispute with the secularists, moneychangers at the helm of the economy and the political whores in Washington is existential. We simply do not share goals or meanings of words with them. We could co-exist, despite mutual acrimony, with the Protestants. With the atheist trash, either we win or they win, but we cannot coexist.
Second, we Catholics all of a sudden are at the forefront of the struggle, as one authentic Christian Church that is not going to quietly dissolve into irrelevance like the Protestants did. Future America is either Catholic or barbaric. In my humble opinion.
...we Catholics all of a sudden are at the forefront of the struggle, as one authentic Christian Church that is not going to quietly dissolve into irrelevance like the Protestants did. Future America is either Catholic or barbaric.
No wonder a majority of Roman Catholics voted for Obama. They want illegal immigration from our southern borders to continue to further swell the ranks of Roman Catholics on welfare.
It can be argued that as Roman Catholic influence has increased in this country, this country has devolved into secularism, apostasy, licentiousness and moral ambivalence.
Temperance was a Protestant societal goal which was overthrown by Italian mob and Irish liquor industry special interests.
From 1930 to 1968 the Hays office in Hollywood wrote and enforced the Motion Picture Production Code which set industry censorship guidelines that governed the production of U.S. motion pictures released by major studios. This code was created by Will H. Hays, a Presbyterian. The Hays office was closed in 1968 by Jack Valenti, a Roman Catholic who came to Hollywood from Washington DC in 1966 to head the MPAA.
When we wonder why movies stink as much as they do, in great part we have Jack Valenti to thank for it.
So, Annalex, you can long for a return to the Inquisition all you want, as your earlier post told us. Americans can be thankful that even though the PR from Rome says one thing, the facts are quite another...
What with the Catholic propensity to vote democratic, this Catholic influence in politics does not bode well for our country.
But because Protestantism is a heretical sect, its energy is limited, because the Holy Spirit is not replenishing it.
Protestantism always catered to the caprice of the times, and by now that is all it does: an attempt to make the bourgeois feel good about himself. This is not a recipe for success, and not suprisingly the Protestant-lead America no longer is either Protestant or successful.
With you, I pray that Catholicism in America rids itself from the political left that for a while got the upper hand at the Vatican II. This is why a Holy Inquisition here in this country would be a terrific idea. The Catholic Church in America needs purifucation.
But I am an optimist. Whatever happens on the political scene, it is the holiness and integrity of the Catholic Church that matters. For that, we have the guarantee from the owner:
[25] ...Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it: [26] That he might sanctify it, cleansing it by the laver of water in the word of life: [27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any; such thing; but that it should be holy, and without blemish (Eph. 5)the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire (Mt. 3:12)
Thank you for paying attention to my posts.
Virtually every heavily Catholic country is very impoverished compared to heavily Protestant ones.
All you have to do is look at countries like the Philipines, Mexico, Colombia, any South American country for that matter. And many of those countries have great wealth in natural resources. Colombia has gold and emeralds, for example.
History bears out the same thing. Where did the industrial revolution take off? It was northern Europe where most of the progress was made.
Great idea.
So, which method of execution do you favor for heretics? Burning at the stake, or maybe the rack? Probably the stake based on the Scripture verse you posted.....
The Catholic church's track record on Inquisitions is not one anyone should wish for.
Funny the difference between Protestantism and Catholicism.
Protestants pray for and appeal to people for personal holiness and repentance and revival.
Catholics call for the heavy hand of Rome to crack down on people and force them into line.
No thanks.
How hypocritical.
Condemn the Protestants but be willing to ride their coattails into power on what they built over the centuries in a blatant power grab.
I never could figure how people could justify using those they condemn for their own profit and gain.
Pathetic.
Jack Valenti was always a globalist stooge, imho.
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