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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.


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To: Domandred
Show where anyone has ever said or even implied anything of that nature.

Hyperbole is not a response to fact.

481 posted on 09/01/2010 12:04:15 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

They never miss a chance to take a shot, do they?


482 posted on 09/01/2010 12:12:26 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (BARF of the YEAR: Obama "We are God's partners in matters of life and death,")
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To: greyfoxx39
Nope, Ironic thing is it works to our advantage...

Even moderately smart folks can tell when someone is firing rhetorical blanks...

My favorite words to these folks:

Show me...

483 posted on 09/01/2010 12:24:16 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22; Tennessee Nana

I’m not going to waste my time on the speck in the other guy’s eye, while there is still a log in my own.

Islam is the only religion at war with the US and the West. The rest of ‘em get a pass from me, so long as they’re not outright hostile to our nation and our civilization. As far as I can tell, Mormons are pretty good folks, even if their belief is not the same as mine.


484 posted on 09/01/2010 12:26:02 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Godzilla

Joseph Smith hated Whitfield .... Now a Mormon reads his sermons.. this all smacks of self interest and deception


485 posted on 09/01/2010 12:29:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Elsie

QUITE SO, IN MY BOOK, FOR SURE.

LUB SISTER.


486 posted on 09/01/2010 12:30:44 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MHGinTN
Exactly..Glenn also preaches about morality and truth and yet hides the truth of his religion under a veneer of Christianity and puts Mormon doctrine subtly into his sermons

He needs to get some of the morality and truth he is preaching about for himself

487 posted on 09/01/2010 12:36:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Gamecock

Mormons and Muslims have far more in common than either do with Christianity. Both were started by a single man desiring personal attention, slaughtered the Bible and God for their own personal purposes, took children as wives and took multiple wives, and created cults that survive to this day. That is the work of Satan, not God.


488 posted on 09/01/2010 12:39:48 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: RnMomof7
Joseph Smith hated Whitfield .... Now a Mormon reads his sermons.. this all smacks of self interest and deception

Take a little historical revisionsim, sprinkle in some pop personality cult and wa-la.

489 posted on 09/01/2010 12:45:07 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Gamecock

My husband’s cousin was a party girl when she was in high school, smoking pot and whoring around. She got pregnant at 16, had an abortion. She did manage to make it to college, continuing on the same path, until she met and fell in love with this Mormon boy. She cleaned up her act, graduated from Nursing school and eventually married him. She now has a lovely family with 6 kids and is living a faithful life. I’m not Mormon. I don’t agree with many of their theological precepts...that being said.... they tend to make good people. And, I know a good work when I see one. This frothing at the mouth bigotry in the evangelical community against the Mormons is sad.


490 posted on 09/01/2010 12:45:32 PM PDT by Juana la Loca
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To: ejonesie22
Show where anyone has ever said or even implied anything of that nature.

Anyone? Ever?...

"The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace—their outrages are beyond all description."

491 posted on 09/01/2010 12:46:49 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Domandred; ejonesie22
"The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace—their outrages are beyond all description."

What was his freepname? Or was the governor responding to an armed insurrection by mormons? But then digging back to the mid 1800's shows how lame the arguement is.

492 posted on 09/01/2010 12:52:33 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Domandred
Wow a freeper said that?

That's what I thought.

You do know the context of that quote, right?

493 posted on 09/01/2010 12:52:44 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Little Ray
We'll some of us can multitask, and since God and the Devil didn't call a time out just because the spiritual war seems a little inconvenient right now for us we will continue to follow what Christ instructed us to do in the Bible, defend his name and expose false teachings and Gospels.

Spiritually speaking Islam and LDS are in the same club along with every other religion in the world that does not follow the real Christ or change his teachings, false religions are false religions, and the paths lead to the same end.

As for the LDS, it is far more than a speck we are talking about...

494 posted on 09/01/2010 12:53:40 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Domandred

Not my point,they can not claim any credit for the foundation of this country..and for Glenn to point to the men that did as his forerunners just is not true.


495 posted on 09/01/2010 12:56:29 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Oh, good God. This is a rally. Surely all types of people with differing views can come together for a common cause at a rally. Silly, just plain silly.


496 posted on 09/01/2010 12:58:16 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Godzilla
Yeah, seems duly elected officials get a bit annoyed when threatened with a take over...

Hard to see why a "prophet of god" would appoint himself a general and do such a thing...

497 posted on 09/01/2010 1:00:08 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
Hard to see why a "prophet of god" would appoint himself a general and do such a thing...

Thats what happens when you start believing your own press releases.

498 posted on 09/01/2010 1:07:13 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Some things never change do they...


499 posted on 09/01/2010 1:09:48 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Elsie

Did I mention you? I didn’t mention you. Feeling guilty?


500 posted on 09/01/2010 1:10:03 PM PDT by samtheman
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