Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock
I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.
I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.
But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.
I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!
A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."
I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."
I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?
And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."
God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).
Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.
So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.
And yet you play God by telling me I cant be saved because I am a woman...
Thus subtracting from the Word of god the Bible...
and making the death and ressurection of Jesus on the Cross to be insufficent to save all of mankind...
Lets try to keep focused on the immediate problem here - saving the USA from the godless iconoclasts & marxists - can we?No, they cannot do that. They very strongly and adamantly cannot do that. They so stubbornly cannot do that, and so stubbornly refuse to do that, that it makes me think they are actually on the side of the marxists, maybe even marxist moles working amongst us.
There's no other rational explanation for the extreme irrationality displayed by them.
Either you believe that Jesus shed His blood on the cross and died to save women or you dont...
make up your mind...
I have no trouble believing it...me a mere woman...
How about you ???
Is your god able to save both men and women ???
Lying is not very Christian. Please show the board where I ever said a woman can't be saved. I said just the opposite.
Yikes! Should we look for an earthquake in Salt Lake City?
What about the Catholic God? What sort of "wrath" will that bring us?
I said in my very first post that women are included in Jesus' salvation. Why are you lying and attributing statements to me I never said. What does the Bible say about liars? Show us a few of those verses regarding liars.
Doesn't Roman Catholic teaching matter? Would you try to conceal it from us? If so, in the name of what, in the name of whom, who would that be serving?
As a Roman Catholic, you should be able to admit to something as ordinary and simple as, that the Catholic church does not recognize Mormonism as Christian, why the fight to deny the church teaching on that? Do you deny the Church on that teaching, do you deny Pope John Paul II's pronouncement on the subject?
Joseph Smith, or Pope John Paul II? Click on the link in post 294 for the Vatican decision, and post 104 for lay clarification.
Response: Negative.
The Supreme Pontiff John Paul II, in the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, approved the present Response, decided in the Sessione Ordinaria of this Congregation, and ordered it published.
From the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 5 June 2001.
+ Joseph Cardinal RATZINGER Prefect
That is a really good post, it sums up our concerns in a short description.
Oh fun.
Health and wholeness to you!
You do good work. God’s best to you.
Them using Joseph Smith's book called the Book of Mormon as a holy text, in a made up religion where they become Gods, tells me what I really need to know about Mormonism and it's relationship to God and religious history.
God determines whose prayers he listens to even if you are not a Christian. It is not up to you.
Oh, God....
“A form of godliness but no power. They (the church we attended) believed in works and no grace.”
They were poor Baptists then. My Paternal Grandparents came from strict Southern Baptist families in East Texas so I’m very familiar with Baptists of the SBC type.
All very true. Now if only good chr*stians would understand that their “gxd” is not the G-d Jews pray to.
Please show the board where I ever said a woman can’t be saved. I said just the opposite.
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Actually you didnt
you just argued the point with me and accused me of lying...
you have yet to say whether or not you believe that Jesus shed His blood on the cross and died to save women ...
a simple yes or no without the subterfuge would be nice...
YES ??? NO ???
Since LDS claim that they are Christians, why do they need D&C 22 ???
1 Behold, I say unto you that all old covenants have I caused to be done away in this thing; and this is a new and an everlasting covenant, even that which was from the beginning.
>2 Wherefore, although a man should be baptized an hundred times it availeth him nothing, for you cannot enter in at the strait gate by the law of Moses, neither by your dead works.
3 For it is because of your dead works that I have caused this last covenant and this church to be built up unto me, even as in days of old.
4 Wherefore, enter ye in at the gate, as I have commanded, and seek not to counsel your God. Amen.
Joseph Smith, at Manchester, New York, April 1830
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/22
Gosh my mother did that too, but there weren't Protestant children calling her a "whore" for taking the bus to work, where did you grow up?
i promise right here to Beck lovers that I've had my say on Beck for now unless something breaks...you can hold me to it
Good rant, wardaddy!!!
Beck is a boob.
Go Pat Go!!!
And how are you on this fine beautiful day? Glad to know you are concerned.
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