Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock
I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.
I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.
But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.
I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!
A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."
I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."
I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?
And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."
God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).
Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.
So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.
Since you have called out the moderator to protect yourself I think I will do well to no longer “discuss” this with you. Have a peaceful night. God bless.
Even on this very thread someone has pointed out that they did not know that Beck is Mormon, I would guess that masses of his listeners and watchers and revival attendees don’t know.
I never contacted a moderator, so that statement isn’t true.
Neither is yours.
Then you would assume wrong. I said where are the Protestant leaders in this country? Where is the current generation’s Graham or Falwell? One reason Beck can get the crowds he does is because there are not Protestant leaders that are rallying anyone. That should be the focus of Protestants, why are they not trying harder.
Not about Catholics, like I said, Catholics are their prey of choice.
Why ask me? Look into it and see what is on the drawing boards and tell us.
Does that mean that you read the Catholic statement in post 104?
My wife commented to me about some article that asked the question if Beck should be speaking for Christians. I told her “Well, the Christians haven’t been doing much - so I’m glad Beck is.” Went on to comment how our Founding Fathers differed in their various beliefs - but I think left things pretty generic in discussing the faith that was behind the creation of this great nation.
From the little bit I watched of the rally, Beck did a similar thing. Discussing faith in terms of lifting up each other and our nation. As some other poster said - it was on the Capitol Mall, not a church.
Catholic Answers is not the Vatican and does not guide me in the daily practice of my faith.
Who is Catholic Answers... lay run organization out of San Diego... I don’t know what their authority is.. do you?
Are they infallible?
Please respect my request to end our repertoire.....
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I have not heard Glenn Beck say anything about lucifer or any of the other things some people say he believes....They are reading his mind and heart and that is not the job of a follower of Jesus.. I will take him at his word that he loves the Lord and Jesus is his savior despite some that use calumny against him
Whew! Nice firestorm buddy.
Civil religion is alive and well.
The harvest is ripe!
Mark Chp 9:
38 "Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,
40 for whoever is not against us is for us.
41 I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.
Catholic Answers is highly regarded on questions of Catholicism, do you disagree with that position in post 104? Do you think that the Vatican accepts Mormonism as a Christian religion?
I gave my opinion of that earlier. I would rather not have a national leader. I was saying the reason people are going to Beck’s rally instead of some Priest’s or Pastor’s rally is because Beck is having a rally while the Priests and Pastors are not.
“...we saw a man driving out demons in your name ...”
Boy - that hits real close to the mark with this rally and the current folks in political places!
I watched Glenn Beck’s 8-28 speech with my husband while it was happening live on C-Span.
I myself did not feel moved to pray.
In fact, when listening closely to what he had to say, hope, honor, charity, returning to church, tithing, honor to family, looking to ourselves and rejecting big government, believing that America has a divine purpose and that I do as well...
I still did not feel moved to pray.
Glenn Beck was not speaking to me. The people who already are going to church, who are taking care of their families, who have rejected big government, who believe in America, they saw a rally that they could enjoy.
But, how many of them are now “MOVED” to change their lives? There is probably little reason for them to do so. It needs to come from within you, and you need to sustain it.
If you had enough time and spending money to travel to DC for his event and you weren’t preparing to make a change in your life already, then why would you go?
I’m way past Beck’s arbitrary starting point. And I think many who went didn’t go for his pep talk to tell them how to do it. They went to be a part of an experience.
My question then is... What will this experience mean in five years? In my mind, very little. Because it still has to come from within. To change your heart and turn to Jesus as given to us in the Holy Bible, all you need to do is ask Him to forgive you and accept Him as your Lord and Savior.
(It’s okay. Beck will approve!)
Im not sure your post applies to what I said.
Are you trying to get me banned? Why do you continue to engage me? I have already been warned that I have personally attacked you whilst trying to defend myself! Sorry... not into self-flagellation.. and no I do not respect Catholic Answers as the AUTHORITY when it comes to my faith. I think I did say that already. Have a great life, a good night and may God bless you and yours....
Who said that here?
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