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To: Brugmansian; MHGinTN
Don't see any need to reconcile it, how I would reconcile it or why I should bother to try. I'm not interested in Mormonism and don't see how it relates to Beck's rally at all.

Well, MHGinTN is probably right -- if you're not interested in Mormonism, indeed this could be "boring" to you...but since other posters might be following this, I'll explain it, anyway.

First of all this goes beyond Beck's rally. On Beck's program in the Spring, he would have what he called "Founding Father Friday." Well, on May 14, 2010, Beck had a guest & they focused on a Methodist minister, George Whitefield, who Beck described as "He's really not a founder, he's more of the seed for the founders." (Source: transcript of the show: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,592997,00.html)

Whitefield died in 1770; hence, he's not considered among the "founders." Anyway, at times Beck has absolutely lauded people like Whitefield and some of the founding fathers who were indeed Christian. On that May 14 show, Beck closed the show by saying: "You know, America, it's time to start talking about religion and time to start talking about the truth about all of these guys and if Jesus is involved, Jesus is involved."

And if you go to Beck's Web site, http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/199/42022/, you can see a "Council of Founding Fathers" whereby men like Whitefield are mentioned prominently. There, Whitefield is described as: In a sermon on Ecclesiastes called “The Folly and Danger of Not Being Righteous Enough,” George Whitefield, the great Revolutionary champion of the Great Awakening, echoed Joshua as he conquered the Promised Land. “Press forward. Do not stop, do not linger in your journey, but strive for the mark set before you. Fight the good fight of faith, and God will give you spiritual mercies.”

Now, that I've set it all up, what does this have to do with MHGinTN's comment about Beck's extremely positive comments upon those founding fathers who were Christian? What exactly needs "reconciliation?"

Well, according to Beck's "prophet," Joseph Smith, Smith said Christians were apostates. Smith labeled the Christianity of his day -- less than 50 years after our country's founding -- as 100% full of "corrupt" professing believers who embraced 100% creeds of "abomination." (Source: Joseph Smith - History, Pearl of Great Price, vv. 18-20)

To this very day, those Mormons who believe this is "scripture" adhere to it. (That's kind of what's funny about your ambivalent Lds neighbors & co-workers). On the one hand, they seem to share some of your values, and they, of course, like anybody, would love to get along with their neighbors and co-workers. But if they've read the above, and if they believe it, then they actually regard you -- if you're a member of an Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant church -- as rooted and 100% saturated in apostasy, corruptness and creedal abominations! They usually just don't like saying what they really believe to your face.

Well, anyway Smith and later Mormon leaders didn't say Christianity had gone bad between 1776 and the 1820s. No, the collective group of Mormon leaders over the past 180 years have claimed that Christianity has been in complete apostasy going back to the first or second century!

So, there's the apparent contradiction: You have Lds leaders, "prophets" Beck claims to believe in, who have outright labeled the Christian founding fathers and all other Christian leaders and believers as "corrupt" apostates who believed abominable things! Yet, you have Beck lauding these so-called "corrupt" "apostates."

There's a contradiction in need of "reconciliation!"

Therefore, either Beck is saying...
...#1 these Mormon leaders have been wrong all these years -- to the point of falsely slandering and falsely prophesying about the nature of Christian leaders -- [and if Beck really believes this, a man of integrity would call upon his church leaders to repent of false slander and false prophesy]
--or, #2 possibly Beck hasn't fully grasped this contradiction for whatever reasons [probably what is most likely the case]
(A third possibility would be that Beck believes what his "prophets" have said and is a "yes" man to his Mormon leaders re: Mormon "orthodoxy" on how they regard Christians and Christian leaders, but that publicly he has other inward reasons for pushing the founding fathers as a way to garner a more populist movement he is trying to secure)

127 posted on 09/02/2010 12:54:32 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Hey, what is this about ????

Surely Glenn Beck didnt LIE ???

Beck “I went to the National Archives and I held the first inaugural address written in his own hand by George Washington.”

Susan Cooper, National Archives Spokeswoman said:

“Those kinds of treasures are only handled by specially trained archival staff.”


128 posted on 09/02/2010 4:23:35 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian; Jim Robinson; Godzilla; ejonesie22; Zakeet; SZonian; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; ...
We have seen over the past two or three years the propensity of Mormonism apologists to hold two contradicting positions simultaneously and be unable to see that they are doing this when it is pointed out to them. I see this contradiction in Beck's goals the same way, he is incapable of seeing that he is simultaneously touting the Christian foundations of the founders and thus the nation, while zealously maintaining his Mormonism though his own religions founders stamped that Christianity totally apostate.

This brings up an interesting possibility even Jim Robinson might consider: is Glenn Beck--whether unwittingly or on purpose--preparing the way for a rise in Romney stocks, as merely another of 'the conservatives who practice their religious beliefs as they see fit yet hold to the founder's principles?'

Shouldn't we pause to consider how the duplicity is being staged, pushing the contradictory nature of Mormonism founding beliefs in apostasy of Christianity to the back burner while bringing to the fore the notion that 'any religion is useful to return Americans to our founding principles'--hence the black robed brigade which included an Islamic Imam among the brigade champions?

Glenn Beck's rally may have been one giant step in trying to soften the American people's response to exposing of Mormonism realities. We certainly have a small brigade of Mormonism apologists working the Internet on especially conservative sites trying to spin the Beck rally as 'all about returning to the foundering principles, without regard to what religion is your choice ... any religious system is valid so long as the founders are the focus!'

In that light, is it important to resolve the contradictions between Beck touting the Christian founders and the basis of Mormonism being that Christianity was completely apostate since the second century CE? We may get a big clue if soon Romney begins a slow revival of pointing to the founders as our guides ...

And I actually believe Glenn is not aware that there is a glaring contradiction in his schtick. I believe he loves this country and wants it to renew a closer walk with God so that it still flourishes when his children are grown. I wonder, can a movement based upon a duplicitous foundation actually lead to national revival?

140 posted on 09/02/2010 10:56:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: Colofornian; Brugmansian; MHGinTN
Whitefield died in 1770; hence, he's not considered among the "founders." Anyway, at times Beck has absolutely lauded people like Whitefield and some of the founding fathers who were indeed Christian. On that May 14 show, Beck closed the show by saying: "You know, America, it's time to start talking about religion and time to start talking about the truth about all of these guys and if Jesus is involved, Jesus is involved."

Joseph Smith hated Whitfield and I am sure Glenn knows that..that was just a way of weaving in the topic he is interested in religion, his religion

163 posted on 09/02/2010 1:34:50 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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