Posted on 08/30/2010 3:42:03 PM PDT by SouthDixie
Okay, I'll be honest, I am not a great follower of Glenn Beck yet I am trying to understand what exactly his message is. I try to understand by listening to what others have to say and by watching his shows and rallys.
Today on his show, Glenn said, "If you don't believe in giving 10% tithe, why are you going to that church?" I about had to pick my jaw off the floor. I was not aware attending church was about a 10% tithe and if you didn't have the funds, why attend?
In my minds eye, this is NOT how to attract people to church or to the word of God. God is about Love, Compassion and Unity. In these economic times people are barely able to care for their families let alone give 10% of their income to churches that havn't exactly set a very "spiritual" example.
I am not sure I enjoy where Glenn Beck is taking us.
Jonah thought they should be destroyed because they weren’t God's people, even after they did repent, he was mad that the Lord spared them.
All are God's children, and he knows when even the smallest sparrow falls.
No, being a full tithe payer is not a requirement for receiving aid from the Church.
For that matter, being a member is not even a requirement for receiving aid. The church has a huge world wide humanitarian program as well.
But the rest is accurate?
“After all, we will be judged according to our works, according to what is written in the books in heaven.”
Yes, judged by our works.
Saved by God’s grace.
I am all for good works and right behavior. But I don’t elevate them to the place of Savior. They can’t save me.
Not quite. Faith in Christ, Baptism, and enduring to the end are the requirements for the Celestial Kingdom, according to LDS doctrine. Tithing, which is a requirement for temple worship, is different, as we believe that temple ordinances are about obtaining the highest level within the Celestial Kingdom.
We believe Paul alludes to this when he talked about being “caught up to the third heaven.” where he “heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”
The apocryphal works of Enoch also speak of the different levels within heaven.
Neither do I.
If you want to discuss the Grace of God throughout the ages, then let's start up a thread to that effect.
I am not wrong on the basis of what Jonah thought; nor am I wrong on the basis of God's Grace to the gentiles in ages past.
But Biblically speaking, I am correct in regards to tithes not required by pagan gentiles.
The New Testament teaches us that “as God Prospers a man” so shall he give. Therefore those in need should first take care of thier basic needs for their families before they attempt to give to the church....if they are ill and in need themselves they should first take care of themsleves until well again.
on the other hand...those who God has indeed “prospered” beyond the basics should be giving a whole lot more than 10% since your wealth has increased so too should your tithe move well beyond the ten percent. So Beck is wrong to say He is in the 10% range....he needs to be much greater than that.
There is no ten percent ....that is man taking it into his own hands from old testament teaching...it is as God prospers a man he should give...and that cheerfully. Anything short of that is no longer giving...it becomes a debt and a heavy one God never intended.
Well I understand Mormons are penalized when they have not kept up with their 10% tithe.....admittance to their sanctuaries..or the temple or such is denied...until they pay up. They loose priviledges within the church. Which would indicate they do keep records.
Yes they ask if you have paid up your tithe or not...so it would appear LDS requires how much you give in order to determine if you’ve paid. With this comes records, as you stated. But then if they do not pay up is it not true they loose the privildge of attending worship in the Temple?..as well as other possible penalities.
Mormons have to tithe rather than feed their hungry children...
When mormon leaders speak, its as though they spoke “ex-cathedra” like the Pope does...
Its binding on the mormons...
From the mormon Spring General Conference, 2005..
“Among those who do not sacrifice there are two extremes: one is the rich, gluttonous man who won’t and the other is the poor, destitute man who believes he can’t. But how can you ask someone who is starving to eat less? Is there a level of poverty so low that sacrifice should not be expected or a family so destitute that paying tithing should cease to be required?
One reason the Lord illustrates doctrines with the most extreme circumstances is to eliminate excuses. If the Lord expects even the poorest widow to pay her mite, where does that leave all others who find that it is not convenient or easy to sacrifice?
No bishop, no missionary should ever hesitate or lack the faith to teach the law of tithing to the poor. The sentiment of “They can’t afford to” needs to be replaced with “They can’t afford not to.”
One of the first things a bishop must do to help the needy is ask them to pay their tithing. Like the widow,
if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing.”
(Elder Lynn Robbins, Mormon Leader)
I meant to add this extra qualifier...
“Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the “prophets, seer, and revelators” of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostasy. Lucifer...wins a great victory when he can get members of the Church to speak against their leaders and to “do their own thinking”....
When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan - it is God’s plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy”. (The Improvement Era, June 1945, page 354)
One of the temple recommend interview questions is about whether or not the mormom member “sustains” (obeys) all of the mormon leadership...
Thanks.
The church has a huge world wide humanitarian program as well.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
and yet in my city, the mormon ward house is not only the last place that people in need are sent to...
It is not even listed as having a “humanitarian program”
I lived here for 10 years before I ever knew there was a ward house, its tucked away in a corner...
The Baptist Churches, the Church of God Churches, the Methodists and the Presbyterians and sone indepedants are were the poor and needy go for food, soup kitchens, clothes, furniture, etc...
The local United Way is kept well stocked by the churches and they pay electric bills etc...
As far as I know there are no homeless because we have shelters paid for by the churches, and rent for temporary apartments ...
tghe re are several churches that give toys and food out every Christmas...one helps up to 1,000 children ... no names asked...just show up..
Anoother group feed people a Thanksgiving Dinner, turkey trimmings and all...
One church has such a decades long reputation for providing food to the hungry that they are the only church for 50 miles around to be chosen to receive food from a national store...on a weekly ongoing basis..
(WHAT ???? That wasnt the mormons ??? Alas, no)
We have groups of pastor from every church that meet regularly for prayer and fellowship and there is good cooperation between them..
But where are the mormons ???
Oh noez...
the 100,000 people in my county are starving and in need...
HELP !!! HELP !!!
Mormons come to our rescue...
CRICKETS
being a full tithe payer is not a requirement for receiving aid from the Church
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However any “aid” must be paid back...
In money or time spent cleaning the buildings etc...
Often more is required than the value of the pitiful “aid”
Thats not charity...
So Beck is wrong to say He is in the 10% range....he needs to be much greater than that.
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Conrad Hilton gave much more than 10%...
He lost his hotel and was bankrupt and he gave and God had him build another hotel...and he never was poor again...
I wonder if Paris has ever appreciated the faith in God that her grandfather had...
J C Penney was so prosperous that he told God he was going to give 20%
God prospered him more so he said again I dont need all this money God, I’m going to give 30%...
He kept going till he was paying 90% and was still rich and prosperous...
And look what God did to his business...
The man who had the idea to put a motor in each giant wheel of those big earth moving machines did the same gave much more than 10%
There was a soap company guy who did the same...
Beck could easily give 50% and never miss it...
You cant out give God...
I’d like to see Beck do a widows mite thingy...give ALL of his money...
Wouldnt that be something...
Even I would show up in Washington to watch that ...
A good military commander never orders his men to do something he wouldnt do himself...
And WRATH and JUDGEMENT and MERCY!
Now THERE is a MORMONism oxymoron!
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