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To: stfassisi
Since sin entered into man completely attached to man's free will it was a free gift by God to suffer for atonement for our sins.

But if God is not angry with men, why did Christ have to SUFFER ? Why was an atonement necessary? Why did God have to inflict so much pain on Christ if He was not angry with men?

By the Resurrection destroying death.Without the Cross there is no Resurrection

So the cross and the suffering were inconsequential , only the resurrection has meaning? Could Christ have lived to be an old man, then die and have a resurrection? Would that have defeated death? BTW What does defeated death mean?

6,594 posted on 09/21/2010 4:49:54 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: RnMomof7
But if God is not angry with men, why did Christ have to SUFFER ? Why was an atonement necessary? Why did God have to inflict so much pain on Christ if He was not angry with men?

There you go, trying to understand the heart and mind of God with limited human abilities. Remember, God LOVES the world, and it was the WORLD that inflicted pain on Christ, not God. Christ (God Incarnate) accepted that for our sake, to make us His sisters, brothers, children of God. He ransomed us from sin and death, His death paid our price.

Every sinner is guilty of the death of Christ.

6,596 posted on 09/21/2010 5:04:48 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: RnMomof7; wagglebee
But if God is not angry with men, why did Christ have to SUFFER ? Why was an atonement necessary? Why did God have to inflict so much pain on Christ if He was not angry with men?

So the cross and the suffering were inconsequential , only the resurrection has meaning? Could Christ have lived to be an old man, then die and have a resurrection? Would that have defeated death? BTW What does defeated death mean?

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Interesting questions. I hope you don't mind me pinging someone much more knowledgable than I. :)

6,597 posted on 09/21/2010 5:10:41 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: RnMomof7
But if God is not angry with men, why did Christ have to SUFFER ?

The Jews expected a angry wrathful God of what they thought was strength,but Christ showed humility through suffering is love that is stronger than anger and wrath

So the cross and the suffering were inconsequential , only the resurrection has meaning?

NO! It's all one event to God.You cannot separate them

6,600 posted on 09/21/2010 5:21:53 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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