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To: RnMomof7; wagglebee
But if God is not angry with men, why did Christ have to SUFFER ? Why was an atonement necessary? Why did God have to inflict so much pain on Christ if He was not angry with men?

So the cross and the suffering were inconsequential , only the resurrection has meaning? Could Christ have lived to be an old man, then die and have a resurrection? Would that have defeated death? BTW What does defeated death mean?

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Interesting questions. I hope you don't mind me pinging someone much more knowledgable than I. :)

6,597 posted on 09/21/2010 5:10:41 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; RnMomof7

Interesting comments.

I think that John 3:16 and other verses make it clear that Christ came out of love, NOT anger. The Trinity is three Persons, but one Mind. If the Son loves us, so does the Father and Christ made is clear throughout the Gospels that He loved everyone.

As far as the other questions, I think it is impossible for us to know for certain. Had God simply decided to forgive our sins and grant us eternal life as an act of His Will, there is certainly no reason that He could not have done this. It’s clear that when He asked in the garden if the cup could pass that the answer was no, but we don’t know the entire reason given.

It would be foolish to believe that ANY aspect of His life was inconsequential. How could the Crucifixion be inconsequential when you consider that He told us that WE had to take up our own crosses and come after Him? How could the Resurrection be inconsequential when you consider that His promise to us is eternal life with Him?


6,673 posted on 09/22/2010 7:29:41 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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