To: Cronos
Ok, but roamer says that that is wrong (not the pastor sleeping :), but the celebrating on Sunday. If you agree with him, why do you not change it then?
That is not what I said - Kindly quit putting words in my mouth.
I said the Sabbath IS the seventh day. I said the Roman church presumed (wrongly) to change the Sabbath to Sunday.
I said it is a grievous error to observe the Roman church instead of what God the Father ordained.
I observe the Sabbath. Do you even know what that means?
But I still go to church on Sunday, just as Iscool must - No day is prohibited for celebrating Christ, for gathering together to worship... But the Sabbath is still the Sabbath:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
(e-Sword: KJV)
3,273 posted on
09/10/2010 1:16:55 AM PDT by
roamer_1
(Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
To: Iscool
3,275 posted on
09/10/2010 1:18:35 AM PDT by
roamer_1
(Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
To: roamer_1
Well then, you are wrong, sir, The Church did not change Sabbath to Sunday, that has never been claimed -- what HAS been done since AD 60 is to celebrate, to worship was done on Sunday. The Church celebrates on Sunday as Christ did.
Around the years 8090, Christians were thrown out of the synagogues. This may have provided further stimulus for Christians to change their worship from Sabbath to Sunday. The apostle John wrote his gospel in this same time frame, significant because it provided for Christians an explanation of how God could change an "everlasting" law. John wrote how the world had been symbolically created anew in Jesus. One implication of this is that with the passion, death, and resurrection of Christ one eternity had ended and another had begun. God could therefore abrogate an everlasting law and still not contradict himself.
In Pauls letter to the Romans, written around 5758, he says, "For one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. Whoever observes the day observes it to the Lord" (Rom. 14:56). The apostle is speaking here about the day which is being observed to the Lord, i.e., the day of worship. He notes that this is up to each person to decide. It must be noted, however, that Paul does not specifically mention the Sabbath here.
In the year 110only twelve years after the death of the last apostleIgnatius, bishop of Antioch, calls the Sabbath "antiquated." The full passage of the letter of Ignatius to the Magnesians, reads: "Do not be led astray by other doctrines nor by old fables which are worthless. For if we have been living by now according to Judaism, we must confess that we have not received grace. The prophets . . . who walked in ancient customs came to a new hope, no longer Sabbatizing but living by the Lords day, on which we came to life through Him and through His death."
In Syria, following the death of the last apostle, a guide for the teaching of Christians was written called the "Doctrine of the Apostles," or the Didache. The Didache taught: "On the Lords own day, gather together and break bread." This is a clear reference invoking Christians to worship on Sunday written around the year 100.
Justin Martyr confirmed the non-issue of Sunday worship in 150, writing: "On Sunday, we meet to celebrate the Lords supper and read the Gospels and Sacred Scripture, the first day on which God changed darkness, and made the world, and on which Christ rose from the dead." It is worth pointing out that the unity of intent in the writings of the apostolic fathers speaks to the worldwide acceptance of Sunday worship between 100150.
In her book Cosmic Conflict, published in 1844, Seventh-Day Adventist prophetess Ellen White argues that the early Christian Church became apostate at the time of the decree of Constantine (p. 551554). This opinion is refuted by current scholarship even from Seventh-Day Adventists. S. Bacchiocchi, a leading sabbatarian SDA scholar, writes in From Sabbath to Sunday (1997) that the change in worship days began around the year 60
My error was due to your insistence that The Church changed Sabbath -- which is a wrong statement in the first place, we did not change Sabbath, we now worshipped on the Lord's Day, the first day of the week, Sunday
3,280 posted on
09/10/2010 1:29:07 AM PDT by
Cronos
(A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
To: roamer_1
IT’S THE DIVIDE AND CONQUER DANCE OF THE DWEEBS
3,295 posted on
09/10/2010 5:02:09 AM PDT by
Quix
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