Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: roamer_1
Well then, you are wrong, sir, The Church did not change Sabbath to Sunday, that has never been claimed -- what HAS been done since AD 60 is to celebrate, to worship was done on Sunday. The Church celebrates on Sunday as Christ did.

Around the years 80–90, Christians were thrown out of the synagogues. This may have provided further stimulus for Christians to change their worship from Sabbath to Sunday. The apostle John wrote his gospel in this same time frame, significant because it provided for Christians an explanation of how God could change an "everlasting" law. John wrote how the world had been symbolically created anew in Jesus. One implication of this is that with the passion, death, and resurrection of Christ one eternity had ended and another had begun. God could therefore abrogate an everlasting law and still not contradict himself.

In Paul’s letter to the Romans, written around 57–58, he says, "For one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. Whoever observes the day observes it to the Lord" (Rom. 14:5–6). The apostle is speaking here about the day which is being observed to the Lord, i.e., the day of worship. He notes that this is up to each person to decide. It must be noted, however, that Paul does not specifically mention the Sabbath here.

In the year 110—only twelve years after the death of the last apostle—Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, calls the Sabbath "antiquated." The full passage of the letter of Ignatius to the Magnesians, reads: "Do not be led astray by other doctrines nor by old fables which are worthless. For if we have been living by now according to Judaism, we must confess that we have not received grace. The prophets . . . who walked in ancient customs came to a new hope, no longer Sabbatizing but living by the Lord’s day, on which we came to life through Him and through His death."

In Syria, following the death of the last apostle, a guide for the teaching of Christians was written called the "Doctrine of the Apostles," or the Didache. The Didache taught: "On the Lord’s own day, gather together and break bread." This is a clear reference invoking Christians to worship on Sunday written around the year 100.

Justin Martyr confirmed the non-issue of Sunday worship in 150, writing: "On Sunday, we meet to celebrate the Lord’s supper and read the Gospels and Sacred Scripture, the first day on which God changed darkness, and made the world, and on which Christ rose from the dead." It is worth pointing out that the unity of intent in the writings of the apostolic fathers speaks to the worldwide acceptance of Sunday worship between 100–150.

In her book Cosmic Conflict, published in 1844, Seventh-Day Adventist prophetess Ellen White argues that the early Christian Church became apostate at the time of the decree of Constantine (p. 551–554). This opinion is refuted by current scholarship even from Seventh-Day Adventists. S. Bacchiocchi, a leading sabbatarian SDA scholar, writes in From Sabbath to Sunday (1997) that the change in worship days began around the year 60

My error was due to your insistence that The Church changed Sabbath -- which is a wrong statement in the first place, we did not change Sabbath, we now worshipped on the Lord's Day, the first day of the week, Sunday
3,280 posted on 09/10/2010 1:29:07 AM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3273 | View Replies ]


To: roamer_1
The New Testament writers regarded Christ's sayings about the Mosaic law as permanently binding. In Mark 7:19, the evangelist explains Christ's statement concerning eating with unwashed hands to mean all foods were henceforth clean--a statement Seventh-Day Adventists need to take to heart since they are vegetarians. We can verify that the apostles understood Christ's coming as having made a permanent change in the sabbath by looking at Paul's epistles. In Galatians 4:10, in the middle of his letter urging the Galatians not to subject themselves to the Law of Moses, Paul states, "[Y]ou have come to know God . . . how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elements, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days, and months, and seasons, and years! I am afraid I have labored over you in vain." Paul thus worries about the Galatians keeping the Jewish festal calendar (including the sabbath), which would render his labor to save them vain (see Gal. 5:2-5).

In Colossians 2:14-16, Paul mentions the sabbath by name, stating that Christ has "canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands . . . Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." Festivals, new moons, and sabbaths were the three kinds of feast days of the Mosaic calendar (see Neh. 10:33, Lev. 23, Num. 29:6). Paul thus states that the whole Jewish festal calendar, sabbath days included, is not binding on Christians.

Please do remember that CHurch teaching is that the Sabbath is not Sunday. It remains on Saturday since it is a part of the Old Law. Sunday is the day of Worship and celebrating the Lord's Feast for Christians. It is the day of the Resurrection and is the Lord’s Day. But it is not literally the Sabbath! In the liturgical calendar, used by Catholics and major Protestant churches, Saturday is still the Sabbath. Sunday is the "Lord’s Day."

Colossians 2:16.
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in ChristPaul was specifically dealing with the Judaizers who were claiming that Gentiles had to keep the old law that has passed away. This text has nothing to do with the Church establishing the New Covenant "law of Christ

the Church does not dismiss the significance of the Jewish Sabbath. "Sunday is expressly distinguished from the Sabbath, which it follows chronologically every week" (CCC 2175).

1 Corinthians 16:1–2:
Now concerning the contribution for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come.

3,282 posted on 09/10/2010 2:00:29 AM PDT by Cronos (A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Alexander P)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3280 | View Replies ]

To: Cronos
Well then, you are wrong, sir, The Church did not change Sabbath to Sunday

Oh, BALONEY. I gave plenty of reference to dispute that nonsense back in #2576, and there is PLENTY more where that comes from.

Perhaps you would care to peruse Rome's Challenge once again, to seal it perfectly in your mind that the Roman church claims it's authority from the very act of changing the Sabbath day. In the article, any notion that the Early Church observed Sunday, or that there is ANY basis for a Sunday sabbath in the Bible is firmly denied.

Rome's purported power stands upon it's presumed ability to change the Laws of God:

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The Church celebrates on Sunday as Christ did.

Christ observed the Sabbath day.

Around the years 80–90, Christians were thrown out of the synagogues. This may have provided further stimulus for Christians to change their worship from Sabbath to Sunday.

DEM JOOOOOS! More baloney. Rome and Alexandria are the only places that observed a Sunday sabbath for many, many years.

One implication of this is that with the passion, death, and resurrection of Christ one eternity had ended and another had begun. God could therefore abrogate an everlasting law and still not contradict himself.

Implication does not trump declaration.

In Paul’s letter to the Romans,[...](Rom. 14:5–6). The apostle is speaking here about the day which is being observed to the Lord, i.e., the day of worship.

Romans 14 is talking about fasting / days for fasting, and how to handle the disparities thereof. No Sabbath there.

The Didache [...[ Justin Martyr [...]

You may quote any early work outside of Scripture that has extant copies dating before 300. The rest (basically all) are suspect, and I will reject them outright. The Roman church has proved itself immune to conscience when it comes to forging documents.

And even those few I might consider do not trump the Word, as John warned that the spirit of antichrist was working in his day, and that the false religion sprung forth from the Early Church... Historicity means nothing in the face of that.

Seventh-Day Adventist prophetess Ellen White [...]

Ellen White is a false prophetess. I set no store by her (though I consider 7th Day Adventists brothers).

3,283 posted on 09/10/2010 2:20:33 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3280 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson