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Wagglebee.....Few would have needed the article in the beginning of this thread to understand that the worship of Mary is not and was never intended to be included with our worship of Christ...

Try to stay focused, this thread is about the misguided notion that the Catholic Church wants to bring back the Holy Roman Empire. Which is an incredibly absurd premise for anyone who knows anything about history because the TRUTH is that the Catholic Church and the Holy Roman Empire had an incredibly antagonistic relationship with each other for centuries.

I prefer not respond to your 'show me' questions....these have been responded to and debated many times, by many posters, on religious threads and hardly comic-book articles, though as usual some of those trickle in.

Yes, the have been debated ad nauseam, still missing is any documentation that the Catholic Church has EVER taught that the Blessed Virgin Mary:
- Died for the sins of mankind.
- Was crucified.
- Was raised from the dead in bodily form.
- Is the hand that moves in our life today.

But what I woud say again is Clearly and most profoundly understood, that 'Christ' is to be worshiped above all others...and there is nothing in scripture that God elevates Mary to the extreme position the Catholic Church has.

Christ alone is worshipped. If what certain bigots claimed about Catholic Marian beliefs were true, there would be a problem; however, since the claims of these bigots are false, there is no problem.

I am not anti-catholic

I never suggested you were, though I have always found that denial prior to accusation is among the surest signs of guilt.

2,247 posted on 09/08/2010 9:02:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Try to stay focused, this thread is about the misguided notion that the Catholic Church wants to bring back the Holy Roman Empire. Which is an incredibly absurd premise for anyone who knows anything about history because the TRUTH is that the Catholic Church and the Holy Roman Empire had an incredibly antagonistic relationship with each other for centuries.

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Exactly correct, particularly if we consider the fate some early Catholics met at the coliseum.

2,269 posted on 09/08/2010 9:25:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
Try to stay focused, this thread is about the misguided notion that the Catholic Church wants to bring back the Holy Roman Empire. Which is an incredibly absurd premise for anyone who knows anything about history because the TRUTH is that the Catholic Church and the Holy Roman Empire had an incredibly antagonistic relationship with each other for centuries.

The Syllabus of errors claims the abolition of the Papal States is an ERROR!! Pope Pius IX, acting as a mouthpiece for his general, said that the abolition of the Papal States was an error: 76. The abolition of the temporal power of which the Apostolic See is possessed would contribute in the greatest degree to the liberty and prosperity of the Church. —Allocutions "Quibus quantisque," April 20, 1849, "Si semper antea," May 20, 1850. (Condemned as error).

Separation of church and State condemned!!

One of the deadliest doctrines of Rome is that church and state should be UNITED with the Pope ruling over the state:

"55. The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church. —Allocution "Acerbissimum," Sept. 27, 1852." (Condemned as error).

St. Paul, when instructing the Christians at Rome about their relationship to the state, said this:

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same. (Romans 13:1-3).

The Vatican gets around this admonition to obey the government by claiming that the Pope is actually Christ or God on earth....Since God is Supreme over all the universe, they reason that mere earthly rulers or governments must obey this Papal "god" on earth and be subject to Him in everything!!

2,298 posted on 09/08/2010 10:14:59 AM PDT by bkaycee
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