Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH AND BEARING FALSE WITNESS
YET AGAIN.
St. Groundhog’s Day..........I got you, Babe.
VERY WELL PUT.
I prefer not respond to your 'show me' questions....these have been responded to and debated many times, by many posters, on religious threads and hardly comic-book articles, though as usual some of those trickle in. But what I woud say again is Clearly and most profoundly understood, that 'Christ' is to be worshiped above all others...and there is nothing in scripture that God elevates Mary to the extreme position the catholic church has.
I am not anti-catholic but I certainly will go up against what I see goes against Gods word regardless of the church affiliation....It's disturbing when anyone who disagrees with catholic doctrine is labeled as so...it makes catholics look like whinning victims... if they are Christians that is not the stance Christ called them to be in the face of conflict...truth can and does always stand..it does not creep behind a veil of anti-anything to protect itself.....it stands firm...always.
You stated..." the left attacks Catholicism because they believe that if they destroy the Catholic Church that all other Christians will just give up."
The left may believe that but all other Christians do not base their beliefs, or the survival on what happens to the catholic church....we understand the garbage needs to be taken out in 'all' churches who have brought it in... and that includes all churches who have allowed and enabled the body of believers to be infected by worldly ideas and behavior... again..none are exempt if they are His.
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Excellent post. I have done my best to ignore this thread, because of its ridiculous subject, but your post is simply outstanding.
Getting the premise wrong negates the entirety of your argument. Catholics NO NOT worship Mary, we venerate her. Game, set, and match.
AMEN!
On essentials, unity. On non-essentials, diversity through freedom of conscience.
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God." -- 2 Corinthians 4:1-2"Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
Why do Protestants trust the believer's conscience? Because it comes from God. A Christian's mind has been renewed by the Holy Spirit to know the things of God. Therefore, we trust in His guidance. And that guidance is found in the Scriptures, made known to us by the Holy Spirit's teaching.
"For by the Scripture as our guide and teacher, God not only makes those things plain which would otherwise escape our notice, but almost compels us to behold them; as if he had assisted our dull sight with spectacles." -- JOHN CALVIN "Commentary on Genesis" Vol. I
INDEED TO THE MAX:
Few would have needed the article in the beginning of this thread to understand that the worship of Mary is not and was never intended to be included with our worship of Christ...we can honor her role but not to the extent the catholic articles posted throughout this thread have revealed.
I prefer not respond to your ‘show me’ questions....these have been responded to and debated many times, by many posters, on religious threads and hardly comic-book articles, though as usual some of those trickle in. But what I woud say again is Clearly and most profoundly understood, that ‘Christ’ is to be worshiped above all others...and there is nothing in scripture that God elevates Mary to the extreme position the catholic church has.
I am not anti-catholic but I certainly will go up against what I see goes against Gods word regardless of the church affiliation....It’s disturbing when anyone who disagrees with catholic doctrine is labeled as so...it makes catholics look like whinning victims... if they are Christians that is not the stance Christ called them to be in the face of conflict...truth can and does always stand..it does not creep behind a veil of anti-anything to protect itself.....it stands firm...always.
You stated...” the left attacks Catholicism because they believe that if they destroy the Catholic Church that all other Christians will just give up.”
The left may believe that but all other Christians do not base their beliefs, or the survival on what happens to the catholic church....we understand the garbage needs to be taken out in ‘all’ churches who have brought it in... and that includes all churches who have allowed and enabled the body of believers to be infected by worldly ideas and behavior... again..none are exempt if they are His.
Makes me think of a man who sat in the front pew every Sunday, he was a big burley man... his only prayer week after week...year after year was... "Thank you Jesus"... He understood fully the wonder of Christ...and it humbled Him before His Saviour. He got it.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
I have to, but for whatever the reason I clicked on it and saw an all-too-familiar name as the author and poster.
Was that really necessary?
Yes, I had completely forgotten that the person who started this thread was Hank. Your post was spot-on.
Hey, people post strange things when they have nothing to say and insist on saying it anyway! ;-)
ok..you made your statement as if your view of Mary wasn’t already known...and your arguements equally as much. I don’t need a re-run, but thank you for your interest.
OF course we know the difference...We also know that praying to a statue of Mary and asking that she give you grace, or that she keep you safe at night is not veneration...It's worship...
Any other questions???
A rose by any other name.....
Making statues of people, lighting candles in front of them, praying to them, attributing special supernatural powers to them,... It's all worship.
Relating to them in the way that one should only relate to God is worship.
Game, set, and match.
Fail..... You proved nothing.
And it is not finessing the guidelines because I have instructed posters to use the words "false" "error" "wrong" instead of "lie."
However, if it is used repeatedly as if to badger another poster then it would be making the thread "about" another Freeper which is also a form of "making it personal."
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